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coffeebean 03-05-2021 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911358)
The point is Florida hasn’t had a mask mandate and has only had minimal shutdowns of restaurants, gyms, hair salons, etc.. Yet other states that have had strict mask mandates, long term shutdowns of businesses and tight restrictions on gatherings have done no better than Florida.
The numbers don’t lie. Mask wearing has had little to no appreciable effect on the spread of the Corona virus.
Really? No better than Florida? The numbers don't lie? To be honest, I don't pay attention to the numbers because they are pretty much skewed. There are so many differences between the states the way cases and deaths are reported, I gave up on all those stats LONG ago. They don't hold any water for me and that is my opinion.

True story...........Very early on in this pandemic, there was a news story about two hair stylists who were Covid positive. They continued to work with their customers while they were Covid positive and contagious. The two stylists wore masks and they made their patrons wear masks. Funny thing is, of the customers who were tested for Covid, none of them tested positive. That situation really resonated with me. That is when Universal masking hit home for me and I realized that masks really do work to slow the spread of the virus.

This is the CDC report of these two stylists and their customers........

Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists After Exposure at a Hair Salon with a Universal Face Covering Policy — Springfield, Missouri, May 2020 | MMWR

Swoop 03-05-2021 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1911375)
My words and thoughts are not being correctly relayed here. What I actually commented on was that if EVERYONE wore masks and distanced from the very beginning, we would not be in such mess of a pandemic here in the US. We did not do very well managing the pandemic and we as a population should be embarrassed on the word stage. I still feel this way and have not changed my view.

I never said masking would "eradicate" the virus, but it certainly would have put all of us in a better place. I would not think that eradication was possible actually. The virologists and immunologists told us that masking and distancing would slow the spread of the virus and I believed them. That is the word I was trying to impress to the folks who were resisting the guidelines by the CDC.

If I ever gave you the impression that I thought masking would eradicate this virus, I apologize for that. I must have used the term "slow the spread of the virus" at least a hundred times in all my postings.

I thank you for your input.
This is your exact quote: “Masks haven't been as effective as they should be simply because there are too many people who are resistant to wear them properly or wear them at all. We never had a chance here in America to get to the point that this virus would be over.”

Over and eradicated both mean ended. Maybe that’s not what you meant, but then you should choose your words more carefully...

coffeebean 03-05-2021 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911378)
This is your exact quote: “Masks haven't been as effective as they should be simply because there are too many people who are resistant to wear them properly or wear them at all. We never had a chance here in America to get to the point that this virus would be over.”

Over and eradicated both mean ended. Maybe that’s not what you meant, but then you should choose your words more carefully...
Yup. That is exactly what I said. How in the world did you find that posting? I could not have found that post if my life depended on it. You are good!!!!!! You just made a huge smile come across my face and I thank you for that.

As for my words, you are right about that. I should not have used the term "virus would be over". I do agree with you that the word "over" does mean eradicate. I honestly don't know why I said that because I don't think that is what I actually meant. That posting must be from months ago!

Swoop 03-05-2021 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1911377)
Really? No better than Florida? The numbers don't lie? To be honest, I don't pay attention to the numbers because they are pretty much skewed. There are so many differences between the states the way cases and deaths are reported, I gave up on all those stats LONG ago. They don't hold any water for me and that is my opinion.

True story...........Very early on in this pandemic, there was a news story about two hair stylists who were Covid positive. They continued to work with their customers while they were Covid positive and contagious. The two stylists wore masks and they made their patrons wear masks. Funny thing is, of the customers who were tested for Covid, none of them tested positive. That situation really resonated with me. That is when Universal masking hit home for me and I realized that masks really do work to slow the spread of the virus.

This is the story of these two stylists and their customers........

Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists After Exposure at a Hair Salon with a Universal Face Covering Policy — Springfield, Missouri, May 2020 | MMWR
Why let a silly thing like facts or statistics interfere with your “feelings” about mask use?!?
Here’s my true story. Over the last 5 months, three times I have played water volleyball on the same team as someone who tested positive later that same day. The first two times, both myself and all the other players on that court were tested and all tested negative. The third time most of us didn’t even bother to get tested. At that point we realized that even though we were playing within three feet of someone for two hours, the fact we were not wearing masks really didn’t have an impact - especially outdoors.

Swoop 03-05-2021 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1911380)
Yup. That is exactly what I said. How in the world did you find that posting? I could not have found that post if my life depended on it. You are good!!!!!! You just made a huge smile come across my face and I thank you for that.

As for my words, you are right about that. I should not have used the term "virus would be over". I do agree with you that the word "over" does mean eradicate. I honestly don't know why I said that because I don't think that is what I actually meant. That posting must be from months ago!
Actually 2/25/21 😉

coffeebean 03-05-2021 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911384)
Why let a silly thing like facts or statistics interfere with your “feelings” about mask use?!?
Here’s my true story. Over the last 5 months, three times I have played water volleyball on the same team as someone who tested positive later that same day. The first two times, both myself and all the other players on that court were tested and all tested negative. The third time most of us didn’t even bother to get tested. At that point we realized that even though we were playing within three feet of someone for two hours, the fact we were not wearing masks really didn’t have an impact - especially outdoors.
Absolutely agree that the virus doesn't really have an impact OUTDOORS. I have never advocated masking outdoors when distancing is possible. in fact, I have never worn a mask outdoors and I've been to a few driveway parties early on in the pandemic. But distancing is key to avoiding the virus.

That fact that you were not distanced from these people when they were contagious is very encouraging. "They" have said all along, not only is the closeness of the exposure relevant, but the length of time of the exposure is what leads to transmission. It has been documented that being outdoors and in the sun is very much a death knell for the virus. Glad you and no one on your team ever contracted the virus.

graciegirl 03-06-2021 09:18 AM
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People who try to keep from getting the Covid-19 virus, which their body cannot build immunity to unless they contract the disease or get the vaccine...........Those people who try not to get the Covid-19 are not PARANOID.

Paranoia is an unbased fear.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+

PugMom 03-06-2021 09:23 AM
so here's my quandry: the vax are out & being dispersed, so why are 'elected officials' saying we need more masking up until 2022? (yes-i heard an 'official' say this. am trying to keep posts non-political so as not to close the thread) we have been told we need the vax, then all will be well. it feels like they move the goalpost a lot. we get the vax but STILL need to mask up. meanwhile we see same folks out & about with their own families & their own restaurants, after scaring the beejeezus out of everybody with the gloom & doom talk.. they lie on the facts, the NUMBERS, yet still feel they can preach as experts on a subject only recently known to man.

graciegirl 03-06-2021 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1911508)
so here's my quandry: the vax are out & being dispersed, so why are 'elected officials' saying we need more masking up until 2022? (yes-i heard an 'official' say this. am trying to keep posts non-political so as not to close the thread) we have been told we need the vax, then all will be well. it feels like they move the goalpost a lot. we get the vax but STILL need to mask up. meanwhile we see same folks out & about with their own families & their own restaurants, after scaring the beejeezus out of everybody with the gloom & doom talk.. they lie on the facts, the NUMBERS, yet still feel they can preach as experts on a subject only recently known to man.
I don't know where to start. Some of your conjecture is true. There are facts we have known for a long time about all viruses and that and scientist knowledge of the Corona Virus and it's ability to change each time it inhabits an organism is vague but true. Knowing what you don't know is part of overall knowledge and there are no pat and proven answers. It is a germ. It doesn't have morals. Our bodies have never met it and it kills older people. At MY age, one in ten will die if the catch it. We know that 95% of people who have died in the United States were over fifty. Apparently something about aging makes us all more vulnerable. I personally knew FIVE people who died from this virus and two of them were frequent posters on this forum. It is wise to be very careful.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-06-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1911502)
People who try to keep from getting the Covid-19 virus, which their body cannot build immunity to unless they contract the disease or get the vaccine...........Those people who try not to get the Covid-19 are not PARANOID.

Paranoia is an unbased fear.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+
That is an awesome meme. I think the only thing that would've made it better is if there was another "talk bubble" with someone shouting "I don't have to go on that lifeboat because mah freedums!"

Swoop 03-06-2021 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1911518)
I don't know where to start. Some of your conjecture is true. There are facts we have known for a long time about all viruses and that and scientist knowledge of the Corona Virus and it's ability to change each time it inhabits an organism is vague but true. Knowing what you don't know is part of overall knowledge and there are no pat and proven answers. It is a germ. It doesn't have morals. Our bodies have never met it and it kills older people. At MY age, one in ten will die if the catch it. We know that 95% of people who have died in the United States were over fifty. Apparently something about aging makes us all more vulnerable. I personally knew FIVE people who died from this virus and two of them were frequent posters on this forum. It is wise to be very careful.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+
Over 40% of Covid deaths were nursing home residents, where the life expectancy is already very short. Before Covid, more than 50% of people admitted to nursing homes died within the first six months. The vast majority of people who died with Covid had multiple comorbidities. Only a small percentage of all Covid deaths occurred among otherwise “healthy” people. If I was in the high risk group, I would take extreme precaution. But I also wouldn’t expect everyone else to have to take the same level of precaution...

graciegirl 03-06-2021 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911625)
Over 40% of Covid deaths were nursing home residents, where the life expectancy is already very short. Before Covid, more than 50% of people admitted to nursing homes died within the first six months. The vast majority of people who died with Covid had multiple comorbidities. Only a small percentage of all Covid deaths occurred among otherwise “healthy” people. If I was in the high risk group, I would take extreme precaution. But I also wouldn’t expect everyone else to have to take the same level of precaution...
Actually it was 39% that died in Nursing homes, and that included staff at the nursing homes. And we all know that nursing homes may have lots of reasons why people easily caught the virus. However with the vaccine those numbers are improving.

Nursing homes see decrease in COVID-19 cases, deaths after vaccinating residents | wfmynews2.com

Swoop 03-06-2021 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1911629)
Actually it was 39% that died in Nursing homes, and that included staff at the nursing homes. And we all know that nursing homes may have lots of reasons why people easily caught the virus. However with the vaccine those numbers are improving.

Nursing homes see decrease in COVID-19 cases, deaths after vaccinating residents | wfmynews2.com
I guess it depends on your source: The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population
42% of Covid deaths came from .6% of the population, nursing home residents..

Velvet 03-06-2021 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1910991)
The will give the new strains a place to feed on...........
Exactly, until the virus is burnt out, we are not completely free. From what I hear the South African variant, and the Brazilian can reinfect people who have had Covid, and they are not easily avoided by the vaccine either. And both variants are in the US.

Some people I know, feel that a maskless person close by is similar to a person pointing a loaded gun at you. They can both kill you.

jimjamuser 03-06-2021 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1910975)
The Florida death toll may be “nothing to brag about”. But considering Florida doesn’t have, and has never had, a mask mandate, we have done better than most mask mandated states. Over the past year, if masks were truly effective, there would have been a discernible difference between the states that did, and did not, have mandates. You can show me all the YouTube videos you want about masks, but the actual death count speaks volumes about the effectiveness of masks...
As to the YouTube videos showing the spread of droplets, you are saying NOT to believe your lying eyes.

jimjamuser 03-06-2021 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1910977)
Between natural immunity and the vaccinations I'm feeling optimistic that masks will be a thing of the past by this summer. I'm seeing fewer and fewer people wearing them. Every day the risk of contracting the virus goes down which is awesome.
The graph of the CV cases seems to be leveling off. Also, there are worse variants coming. Too early to let down your guard (or your mask).

jimjamuser 03-06-2021 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1911003)
And since we still live in the United States of America it is their choice to be in that group! That seems to be a concept that a lot of people have forgotten
The God-given right for America to do the wrong thing. Winston Churchill said that Americans always do the right thing - after ALL other possibilities are exhausted.

jimjamuser 03-06-2021 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1911011)
I have been in Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, restaurants, and none of them have said a word to me about not wearing a mask because legally they cannot. There is no legislatively mandated requirement to wear a mask in the state of Florida. Stores just can’t make up their own rules. They can request, but they cannot demand it.
That attitude is why America is #1 in the world in CV. Great!

jimjamuser 03-06-2021 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1911103)
I have my shots, and after 12 days no longer wear a mask unless the business requires it.....maybe. For those that say the vaccine is not a 100%, you are probably wrong. For as many "experts" that say it is not 100%, I can find as many that say it is 100%. 100% that you will NOT be hospitalized. And for those that insist that you can carry the virus, the only way you can after vaccinated is to carry it on your clothes. If you advise folks to step back 6 ft from you AFTER you have been vaccinated, you are likely to get some resistance because there is no "personal" space in a business. It is just a polite thing to do, IF you feel inclined. Many of us get a bit impatient with the fear mongering, hysteria and don't blame us if we are going back to "NORMAL." I see absolutely NO reason to continue to wear a mask after being inoculated and then waiting the suggested 12 days. If you are really that paranoid that you still think that "safe" folks should wear a mask, then maybe you should seek some professional assistance to help you get over your fear. Even without the shots, I did not worry or care about anyone shopping around me without their wearing a mask. I really expect to see a bunch of you suggesting that everyone continue to wear a mask during flu season. Well, Americans love their FREEDOM and you can wish in one hand and **** in the other.....you know how the saying goes. I have not heard anyone on here come up with a valid or even a good reason as to why one should endure the two shot regimen and then continue to wear a mask. If you suggest that it is for the "comfort" of others, I would have to say that in my opinion, you are out of your mind.
I am not a "Non-Vax'er"
I am not a "Non-Masker."
I have my vaccination and I have coddled the hysterical long enough regarding the wearing of a mask. If my resisting the wearing of a mask now, is considered being a "big meanie" then I am a big meanie and can live with it.
My read on the issue, and the version I plan to live by until proven wrong, is that once I achieve immunity I will not catch the virus and if I ingest virus spores(?) then they will be destroyed by my antibodies and not transmitted to others. Do not insist that I am wrong unless you can PROVE otherwise. Quoting a political hack like Fauci means nothing to me, because I never liked him and do not trust him to be truthful. When is the last time he has seen a patient?
And for those that try to shame folks that are vaccinated because they no longer wear their mask, ...shame on you! Just because no one knows if I have had my shots or not, means nothing to me. I know, and that is all that is important. If you do not know and you fear me, stay the he** away. Like I have said before, I am waiting to my custom T shirt that says "Have shots, but still keep your distance." I never did like folks in my "personal" space. I am NOT your keeper. If you need coddling, they have nursing homes for you. Don't presume to dictate how I should act just to please you. I consider that as your being selfish.

You do what you wish. But, I find it hilarious that you would put yourself through getting these shots and then continue to act like you are going to get doused with acid rain every time you leave your home. If you do not have the shots, then that is all on you. You wear the mask and you stay your distance IF you fear contact with others. I fulfilled my obligation to you by making myself "safe." Now, it is up to you to do the same or stay home. If you do not wish to stay home, do not blame me if you catch the covid. I just don't care. I do not care if you wear your mask for the rest of your life. Do not expect me to conform to your standards, just because you are a whimpy little sissy that's too weak to take care of yourself. How many of you can tell that I have never had a flu vaccination? Do you insist that everyone wear a mask to protect you from the flu?
Never mind, I ran this one on and on again. Some folks on here should just start a club of losers that can hold each other up so you don't hurt yourself with sharp objects.
Sorry, being harsh again after saying I wouldn't. Must be the reaction from the shots. Probably tends to make one a bit irritable.
Be safe, be happy and don't breath the air...........:D
It is a mystery - how can someone say so little right and so much wrong in ALL those words.

Swoop 03-06-2021 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1911804)
As to the YouTube videos showing the spread of droplets, you are saying NOT to believe your lying eyes.
Simple question, if masks are truly effective against the spread of the virus, then why haven’t states with strict mask mandates fared better than Florida with no mandates?

graciegirl 03-06-2021 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911661)
I guess it depends on your source: The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population
42% of Covid deaths came from .6% of the population, nursing home residents..
That still leaves 60% who were not in nursing homes and over fifty............and none were disposable.

How old are you to be so cavalier about age? We are alive and valuable no matter how old we are or where we are living.

graciegirl 03-06-2021 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911823)
Simple question, if masks are truly effective against the spread of the virus, then why haven’t states with strict mask mandates fared better than Florida with no mandates?
Maybe it is because that so many of us people who live here in Florida, and particularly The Villages, and particularly wise older people, are aware of the dangers of the spread of Covid-19 and wear a mask.

Florida is the third most populous State. Deaths from Covid around 30,000. I think there were close to that in New York State in the first three months of the epidemic. I will expect you to check for me. How old are you?

Joe V. 03-06-2021 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1911811)
That attitude is why America is #1 in the world in CV. Great!
My you do come up with some big whoppers.

Swoop 03-07-2021 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1911825)
That still leaves 60% who were not in nursing homes and over fifty............and none were disposable.

How old are you to be so cavalier about age? We are alive and valuable no matter how old we are or where we are living.
I’m not being cavalier, I’m just stating facts and I certainly didn’t call anyone “disposable”.
The vast majority of those who died with Covid had other health issues. On average they had 2.6 comorbidities. According to the CDC only 6% of Covid coded deaths did not include comorbidities. So, since I am not overweight, don’t have lung disease, heart disease, cancer, or diabetes, I feel confident that if I get Covid, I will survive it, just like 99.5% of the population.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-07-2021 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1910926)
Encouraged to see less folks walking around with their faces covered up. Since getting fully vaccinated I personally have stopped wearing a mask in any business establishment, with doctors office being the only exception. Encouraged to see others joining me. I’ve never believed that they stop a virus anyway. I hope that people are done being controlled and will embrace FREEDOM once again. For those who don’t buy into any of this, by all means, you have the freedom to stay home or double mask when in public if you want to. I and many others however are totally done with all this control and paranoia!
My understanding is that masks protect the people around the wearer more so than the people wearing them.

I also understand that this vaccine is very different from other vaccines. Some say that it is not technically a vaccine. It does not prevent this virus from entering your system. What it does is uses your rNA to prevent the virus from replicating itself once it enters your system. This prevents the virus from making you ill or killing you.

What this means is that even though you have been vaccinated and waited two weeks for the vaccine to become effective, you can still carry the virus and pass it one to other people.

I have had both shots and my incubation period ends tomorrow. I will continue to wear a mask indoors in public places until everyone in the state of Florida who wants to be vaccinated has been so. After that I don't feel that I should have to alter my life style to suit people who have decided not to be vaccinated.

I also see that many stores and other businesses REQUIRE the wearing of masks. I believe that they have every right in a free country to require whatever they want in order to allow you to enter their premises.

It is also now a federal law to wear a mask when on federal property. So when you go to the post office or any other federal building, you are required to wear a mask.

To me, it's not all that complicated or difficult. I wear a mask indoors when the public places. I don't wear it in my home, or when driving my golf cart or car and in most cases, I don't wear it outside. We were told a long time ago that it is very difficult to contract this virus out of doors and I don't believe that has changed. In fact I think that it has been proven by the so called super spreaders that have not spread anything. The number of cases in The Villages has not gone up since the squares have opened. The number of cases did not increase after the big Trump rally.

It's pretty easy to have a mask with you at all times and out it on for the short amount of time that you are in a store or any other business.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-07-2021 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1911374)
Yeah, my space; I can control the space around me. If you can't, then that's YOUR problem.

I'm around the public for about 10+ hours a day; I've worn a mask everyday since this started a year ago and haven't been infected yet. Maybe it's luck; maybe it's keeping people out of my space.
So far about 8% of the population of Florida have been infected by this virus. So we have less than a one and ten chance of getting it. The fact that you deal with a lot of people on a regular basis increases your chances of contracting it, but the fact that you wear a mask and are careful about social distancing probably balances that off.

I don't think that you are lucky. I think that with a 8% chance of contracting this virus, people who get it are unlucky. And people that protect themselves by following CDC guidelines are lowering their odds of contracting the virus even more.

coffeebean 03-07-2021 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1911823)
Simple question, if masks are truly effective against the spread of the virus, then why haven’t states with strict mask mandates fared better than Florida with no mandates?
My guess is that those folks under a mask mandate did not wear their masks properly. Not covering the nose is like not wearing a mask at all. Also....IMHO, those states that mandated masks probably had a high number of people wearing neck gators which are actually worse than not wearing a mask at all. Even with several layers of cloth on a neck gator, droplets are split into aerosols. I saw that a while back on the Today Show segment about different types of masks.

One more reason, IMHO, people in states with mask mandates wore masks with one way valves. Just another way to trick f%$k the system.Those one way valves work the wrong way to reduce transmission of virus in droplets and aerosols. The valve is to allow the wearer to breath easier but that valve allows the expelled breath to disperse in the atmosphere. If that person is Covid positive, that valve lets out all the virus with the exhaled air. Have you noticed there are physician's offices that do not allow masks with valves? That is the reason.

coffeebean 03-07-2021 10:59 AM
Hi folks,
It has been brought to my attention that I made an inaccurate statement in one of my posts on this thread. My post #65 states as follows:

"There is evidence that vaccinated people are not contagious and will not infect others if they do contract the virus. Until all testing is completed and we vaccinated people are told there is no way we can infect others, I will continue to wear my mask and keep my distance from others. I'm protected and I feel as safe now as I did pre-pandemic so my wearing a mask is not out of fear. It is for my respect and empathy for those who are clamoring to be vaccinated."

I would like to correct that first sentence to say, "There is evidence that vaccinated people MAY NOT BE contagious and MAY NOT infect others if they do contract the virus".

Thank you for understanding.

Swoop 03-07-2021 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1912089)
My guess is that those folks under a mask mandate did not wear their masks properly. Not covering the nose is like not wearing a mask at all. Also....IMHO, those states that mandated masks probably had a high number of people wearing neck gators which are actually worse than not wearing a mask at all. Even with several layers of cloth on a neck gator, droplets are split into aerosols. I saw that a while back on the Today Show segment about different types of masks.

One more reason, IMHO, people in states with mask mandates wore masks with one way valves. Just another way to trick f%$k the system.Those one way valves work the wrong way to reduce transmission of virus in droplets and aerosols. The valve is to allow the wearer to breath easier but that valve allows the expelled breath to disperse in the atmosphere. If that person is Covid positive, that valve lets out all the virus with the exhaled air. Have you noticed there are physician's offices that do not allow masks with valves? That is the reason.
So those states that have had strict mask mandates, that kept gyms & restaurants closed, kept “non-essential” businesses closed and prohibited gatherings, ultimately did no better than Florida with no mandates and minimal interruptions to businesses, because people in mask mandate states didn’t wear their masks properly or wore the wrong masks?!?
Really, that’s the best you can do? Then again I guess as bad as it sounds, it’s still the best option for you. Because otherwise you would have to come to the realization that masks are truly not a very effective way of slowing the spread...

coffeebean 03-07-2021 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1912107)
So those states that have had strict mask mandates, that kept gyms & restaurants closed, kept “non-essential” businesses closed and prohibited gatherings, ultimately did no better than Florida with no mandates and minimal interruptions to businesses, because people in mask mandate states didn’t wear their masks properly or wore the wrong masks?!?
Really, that’s the best you can do? Then again I guess as bad as it sounds, it’s still the best option for you. Because otherwise you would have to come to the realization that masks are truly not a very effective way of slowing the spread...
The exact opposite of what you have said. Masks most certainly do work as source control. That is really all those home made and surgical masks are efficient at. As protection for the wearer, there is little protection which is what I have read.

I will never ever believe that masks are useless. I've seen too many YouTube videos which prove to me the science behind containing droplets and aerosols. Yes, those masks do contain aerosols. I've seen the documentation with my own two eyes how effective those home made and surgical masks are.

Doctors in operating rooms have been wearing surgical masks forever. The reason is for source control, not for their protection. Same for every day folks in and about their day to day life, there has been and continues to be a very urgent need to control aerosol and droplet transmission of the virus. There are variants out there that were not tested initially in the trials for these current mRNA vaccines.

As an aside..........The manufacturers of these mRNA vaccines have claimed that their vaccines will not allow the variants to escape, just not at that high rate of efficacy as has been previously found in trials.

PS.....I am not going to post videos any further on this site. I have posted too many to count that demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt that masks are useful as source control when worn properly over the NOSE and mouth. Those infrared cameras do not lie. If you don't believe the proof in the videos, then there is not hope for anyone who believes differently.

LETS AGREE TO DISAGREE. I COULD NEVER COME AROUND TO YOUR WAY OF THINKING.

ronsroni 03-07-2021 03:11 PM
Wow. Culling the herd?
Enjoy the phantom strains.
As for me, mask up for the USA.
Oh.
AND HUMANITY.

jswirs 03-08-2021 01:14 AM
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eventually the anti mask/non vaccine folks will be the most vulnerable group left!!
I don't think so. The anti-mask, anti vaccine folks will have the strongest natural immune system.

Tmarkwald 03-08-2021 06:25 AM
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Dr.Fauci suggests that we may not be able to go mask free until sometime in 2022.
Dr. Fauci has zero credibility any more. He is not a god...

Tmarkwald 03-08-2021 06:35 AM
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That attitude is why America is #1 in the world in CV. Great!
America is #1 in the world for Covid because of population count only. Take a known metric - Deaths/Million and the US is WAY behind the UK, Belgium, Portugal, Italy, etc...

Oh, and China has virtually NO deaths...

Please, source your comments. This chart is from this morning - I watch it daily...

source: Coronavirus Update (Live): 117,500,802 Cases and 2,606,689 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

coffeebean 03-08-2021 07:46 AM
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Dr. Fauci has zero credibility any more. He is not a god...
Agree.....Dr. Fauci is not a God. I still believe he is very credible. You just don't take years of education, hard work and devotion to your work and then lose credibility just because you change your direction. Science is evolving and Dr. Fauci's direction also evolves. Those folks who do not believe in science and the evolution of science are the ones who no longer trust this man.

coffeebean 03-09-2021 06:11 AM
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So those states that have had strict mask mandates, that kept gyms & restaurants closed, kept “non-essential” businesses closed and prohibited gatherings, ultimately did no better than Florida with no mandates and minimal interruptions to businesses, because people in mask mandate states didn’t wear their masks properly or wore the wrong masks?!?
Really, that’s the best you can do? Then again I guess as bad as it sounds, it’s still the best option for you. Because otherwise you would have to come to the realization that masks are truly not a very effective way of slowing the spread...
I have some more information that I would like to pass on regarding why those states with mask mandates may have not done any better than Florida regarding the "numbers". This is second hand information because I am relaying comments from someone on another discussion forum. This forum has folks from all over the country and from abroad also so there is a cross section of folks joining in the conversation. I was quite surprised to hear of this happening in another part of our country.....

The commenter said that in the state he/she lives there is a mask mandate yet only about 50% of people he/she sees actually wear masks. These people he/she mentions are not wearing their masks incorrectly but DO NOT WEAR masks at all.

I can only imagine that the mask mandate is not enforced so people take advantage of that. Sad really, if this is true. I have no reason to believe the person relaying this information was not telling the truth. So, there is one more reason as to why states with strict mandates did not do any better than Florida which never had a mask mandate.

Byte1 03-09-2021 01:04 PM
I have my shots and now when I shop, I wear my mask (since it is posted at the entrance) below my nose. I still stay at least 6 ft away from folks and wash my hands, but I have always done that. If you think you can still get the virus after being vaccinated, then why bother? Just stay home and ensure your own safety. The experts I listen to say that when immune, and you inhale the virus it will die and you are not able to pass it on. If you don't believe that, then listen to your own favorite "expert." I will never discourage anyone from trying to stay safe. Just don't bother telling me that I should wear a mask to make others feel secure. If they need me to make them feel secure, then they need a new momma to run to. Why would you believe a stranger anyway?

CFrance 03-09-2021 01:39 PM
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“Your Space” ������ Good luck with that. If you said that to me I would tell you to just go home if your that paranoid!
There's a mark on the floor at the grocery store. Use it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-09-2021 04:02 PM
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I have my shots and now when I shop, I wear my mask (since it is posted at the entrance) below my nose.
Just don't bother wearing a mask at all. You have no intention of respecting the REASON for the sign. So flaunt it. Flaunt that disrespect and walk in boldly without a mask at all. Make sure everyone knows that you don't give a flying fart about the REASON for the rules, and therefore the rules don't apply to you.


Wearing a mask just below your nose is an insult to everyone who refuses to wear one at all. They at least have the guts to state plainly that the rules don't apply to them. Wearing the mask below your nose is also an insult to everyone who chooses to wear one correctly - because you are purposefully defying the REASON for the mask.

You seem to be presenting an equal opportunity insulter stance.

CFrance 03-09-2021 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by butlerperkins@gmail.com (Post 1911197)
2021 0305 Friday @ 15:05
It sounds as though you are flaunting your immunity. So be it. Now, do some good: Go volunteer in an assisted living facility, without your mask, of course.
Who are you answering? Please quote the post in your response going forward. Even Admin has asked people to do this.


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