Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790326)

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1790771)

First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790326)

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1790771)

First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1790387)

So, this may be much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teapot or a Smollett style maneuver?

Originally Posted by BossLady (Post 1790797)

Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1790817)

Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 1790817)

That is an insulting and demeaning comment. Wallace never even saw the "noose;" he was informed about it by the President of NASCAR.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1790721)

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I must say, I am so very tired of this story. I wake up to a local NewsRadio show every morning. This topic was discussed ad nauseam for over 1/2 hour. OMG. Let's review.

Media - "A NOOSE IS FOUND IN BUBBA WALLACE"S GARAGE AT TELLADAGA!!!
RACIST SYMBOL FOUND IN ONLY BLACK NASCAR DRIVER'S GARAGE" NASCAR AND FBI INVESTIGATING! 15 FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED AND WILL THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS HATE CRIME! NASCAR CHIEF VOWS THAT PERP WILL BE PROCECUTED AS A FEDERAL CRIME!!! ALL DRIVERS BAND TOGETHER IN SORROW FOR BUBBA AND THIS DISPICABLE ACT!!! YET ANOTHER HORRIBLE HATE CRIME IN THE USA!

This went on for days - reporters on site, interviews, parades in support, live coverage nationwide, etc etc. BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!! MEDIA SWARMS all over this topic - RACIST!!!!

...then after days of MEDIA Blitz... never mind, it was just a garage door pull that's been there for 9 months.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Anyone with common sense, looking at the "scene" could see the rope was connected to the door, and would be laying on the ground when the door was closed. It was a common way to close a manual overhead door. Used millions of times over the years (including in my garages at times). Is it a RACIST SYMBOL!!!! nope, just a simple way to attach and use. A call to previous users of this garage would have shown - it's been there for a long time, and NOT put up to harass Bubba or Blacks. period. But - what happens - escalate to the media and the swarm begins. HOURS and HOURS of national/worlwide coverage, creating a swell of anger. ...then "never mind".



“On Monday, fifteen FBI special agents conducted numerous interviews regarding the situation at Talladega Superspeedway. After a thorough review of the facts and evidence surrounding the event, we have concluded that no federal crime was committed.

The FBI learned that garage number 4, where the noose was found, was assigned to Bubba Wallace last week. The investigation also revealed evidence, including authentic video confirmed by NASCAR, that the noose found in garage number 4 was in that garage as early as October 2019. Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week.

The decision not to pursue federal charges is proper after reviewing all available facts and all applicable federal laws. We offer our thanks to NASCAR, Mr. Wallace and everyone who cooperated with this investigation.”

NASCAR said it was thankful that there was no intentional act committed against Wallace.

“The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime,” the statement reads. “The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall.

“This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment. We appreciate the FBI’s quick and thorough investigation and are thankful to learn that this was not an intentional, racist act against Bubba. We remain steadfast in our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all who love racing.”

Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1790871)

Has anyone actually seen this “noose”. Was it a bowline with an extra couple of twists and then interpreted as a noose? About 6 months ago I was thinking of going on my rooftop in GA. I got paracord and googled knots. It was pretty interesting. I made a bunch of knots. I didn’t make a noose, not because of a potential racial connection but because it was more work than I wanted to do. But I was tempted. Glad I didn’t because I would have obviously been a racist if I did so. So to simply make a racial connection to a piece of rope with a complicated knot seems like an intentional stretch. Incidentally, I never went up on the roof. And I recommend getting some rope and learn to make some knots. It was actually fun.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1790881)

this was it> (duhhhh)>

Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1790889)

I can’t see the exact knot. Look up bowline. Have it hanging from the ceiling to connect to something. [B]Guess what. You have what many people could construe as a noose. Duh[/B]

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1790916)

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oh please. Does it really matter what "the exact knot" was? It WAS NOT tied to the ceiling or rafter - THAT would have been COMPLETELY different and warrant concern for sure. BUT IT WAS a device to pull the door down if power went out, attached to the DOOR - which would have been on the FLOOR when the door is closed! Common sense> We have that on almost every garage door in The Villages. Most of ours are from the mfr and fashioned as a rope with a plastic pull. Someone at Talledega fashioned this rope (as a loop to put your fingers...) last Fall - so this was a conspiracy??? knowing that Bubba would be assigned that garage in June '20?

"Guess what. You have what many people could construe as a noose. Duh"

Sure by folks who want to gen up yet another News piece and create MORE racial tension. nice job folks - done well, and we are STILL talking about it. their objective.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1790740)

Well, let's look at the facts. :oops:

Character Attacks (pull here)



The big question is..."why would anyone think fashioning a noose...would be appropriate in the first place?"

Oh yeah, that's right...I know why.

Given the history of racism within NASCAR and the use of nooses by white people to intimidate blacks throughout the history in this country, a lot of people would think it's funny...and no big deal.

Add the unwarranted attempted character assassination of Wallace, the outrage by many of NASCAR'S recent outright ban on confederate flags...I predict we'll see more cretins start coming out of the woodwork than usual. :ohdear:

I'm just grateful that this incident has an explanation...that wasn't driven by hate. :ho:

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790443)

LOL The 1st photo was taken from a video posted on youtube by Rowdy Maglite posted in 2019, it shows all the garages with rope "noose" pull downs. Take a look for yourself

YouTube

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790443)

The 2nd photo, taken on day of incident, was taken by Racing News and shows the rope has been cut and no "noose"

FBI investigating noose hung in NASCAR garage - Racing News

Lots of hate crimes have been proven to be hoaxes.

If the NOOSECAR does not fit
It's too smollet to acquit

Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1790942)

Well, there went 14+ minutes of my life that I can't get back. :sad: Yeah, and after watching that stupid video twice, I'm calling your contention that all the garages in the video had nooses absolutely false. Even zoomed in, I saw ONE that was obviously tied like a noose & at least two that had no knot whatsoever.



Questions remain:
(1) Why would you even fashion a door pull like a noose to begin with? There are plenty of other knots or even actual handles available.
(2) Anybody here have a noose for a garage door pull?
(3) Who actually cut the rope & was the noose found still attached to the door or inside the garage when found?
(4) Who is quicker to jump to conclusions: the people that found the "noose" or the people that automatically labelled the whole episode as a 'hoax'?

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1790341)

7 months between photos, a lot can happen in 7 months and not part of a conspiracy theory.....just sayin.

Originally Posted by airdale2 (Post 1790976)

MY tied shoelaces may appear like a noose if someone wants to see it that way.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790424)

We've seen "Smollett" style "hate crimes" being faked over and over. Student activists hang nooses on their door, write themselves fake hate letters etc so my spidey sense goes on alert every time I hear about one.

Something is very fishy about this one. The guy who discovered the "noose" called Nascar officials immediately and they were first on the scene, before the FBI.

Nascar President Steve Phelps was asked:

Can you confirm, was the rope the rope you would normally use to pull down the garage door?

Phelps: "I'm not sure, I have no information on that"

So none of the Nascar officials that went to the garage described the noose, took a cell photo of it and let Phelps know? I find that hard to believe.

Bubba is an outspoken proponent of Black Lives Matter, sported an "I can't breath tee shirt" which he has every right to do but also means he might want a big noose story in the press. Nascar is reopening with a big new marketing campaign, pushing for a more diverse audience and like many corporations, wants to show how "woke" they are.

If Nascar knew immediately that this was a case of mistaken identity, it was just a standard pulldown rope "noose" then they have perpetrated a fraud on the public by letting the story run. If they did this, they are going to try and cover it up.

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob (Post 1790994)

NASCAR screwed up by immediately stating it was a noose and that when they find the perp, they will be banned for life. That leads everyone to assume it was a racist hate crime. Shame on NASCAR; they owe everyone an apology.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790944)

The main difference between Noose and a loop Knot is that the Noose is a loop at the end of a rope in which the knot tightens under load and can be loosened without untying it. A loop knot does not tighten under load. Any third grader can tell the difference, stick your hand in a noose and pull and the noose tightens. Stick your hand in a loop knot and the loop stays the same size, does not tighten.

The fact that Bubba Smollet/Juicy Wallace is still calling this a noose shows that the whole thing is a big lie. Here's a video from 2017 of the Talladega garages, in almost every garage you can see a loop knot tied at the end of the pull down rope.

GarageCam: Walk through the Camping World garage at Talladega - YouTube

Bubba has raced at Talladega 5 times since 2018. His Penske crew have been racing there for ages. Drivers are assigned different garage bays every time they race.

"I've been racing all of my life, we've raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that. ... It's a straight up noose." :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nooses have been used to hang people all over the globe for centuries. Asians, Caucasians, Latins, Blacks have all felt the hangman's knot. Blacks want to claim the noose as their own special symbol of racist hate. Be my guest but at least use actual nooses when you claim to be victims.

A loop knot is not "fashioned like a noose" and does not function like a noose. You can test the difference in 5 seconds. Bubba and crew have seen these loop knot pull downs before. This was just an opportune time for a hate crime hoax.

Here's a video of this hero, looks like a racist hate crime to me.

Bubba Wallace throws water in Alex Bowman's face after Charlotte Roval | Motorsports on NBC - YouTube

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1790951)

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See post #56

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1791072)

:1rotfl:

BUSTED.

One only has to get to the 2:31 & 2:37 mark, to see where KNOTS not a NOOSE...are used for the door pulls.

The prosecution rests. :wave:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1791072)

BUSTED.

One only has to get to the 2:31 & 2:37 mark, to see where KNOTS not a NOOSE...are used for the door pulls.

The prosecution rests.

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1791153)

Bubba Wallace

Best Race Card Driver Ever

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1791160)

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good one!

BTW has anyone tried to Google "Bubba Wallace noose" and search thru pictures? There seems to be only ONE - that is pictured a few times on this Thread. But LOTS of pics of him with the 'supporters' and other stuff - but SO VERY LITTLE of the ACTUAL """NOOSE""".

hmmm, makes one wonder - is there selective information on the internet search engine information? hmmm. Just sayin'.
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