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jacksonbrown 06-19-2020 03:35 PM

I went to Publix today and y'all should've seen all the commotion.

Aunt Jemima, Mrs. Butterworth, and Uncle Ben were protesting.

Texas Pete and Capt. Morgan were getting drunk

Little Debbie was working the corner, and Jimmy Dean was showing everybody his sausage.

Fredman 06-19-2020 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1786233)
Dear CNM,
I think we may be on the same side of the bigger issue here, but our points of reference might be a little different.
First, I agree that statues are more useful in a museum setting where they provide a means of exploring our history, both the good and bad along with the context of the times.
Stereotypes is where we have a hiccup. To me, stereotypes are caricatures. No, they are not generally flattering, but those caricatures are often used buy comedians of various ethnic groups to tease that group that they themselves represent. It forces us, whatever color, religion, etc to look at ourselves in a less threatening way.
As to Aunt Jamima and Uncle Ben, They were around when I was a small child with no understanding of race. To me, they were good people providing good food for my family and me. Because of where I lived and how I was raised it is hard to recognize them as "bad". But, apparently, someone does.
For example, when you see a spider or snake are you revolted, or are you interested in the beautiful colors and patterns on its body? Does the fact that the spider can spin a beautiful web of fine silk that is stronger than steel interest or excite your curiosity, or do you find it "gross"? My point is that it is not always easy, or even possible, to understand why some people think or feel the way they do. To "walk a mile in another mans shoes" sounds good but is not often possible.
Let's continue the conversation in hopes of finding some common ground to build on.

There is no common ground when it involves BLM if they don’t get their way Or they protest or tear down historical monuments

Fredman 06-19-2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1787395)
Good for them. :thumbup:

While I know it will happen anyway, why in the world would anyone be against and be angry...about equal justice for all races? :oops:



And for anyone wondering, yes...that was actually a rhetorical question.

When will P&G rename ivory soap

valuemkt 06-19-2020 06:00 PM

Burn All The Books ! Print some more money to pay reparations to make up for the "sins" of our founders and corporate oppressors .. Fire the police ! Then play John Lennon's song Give Peace a Chance, or is their a more appropriate 2020 version of it ..

Fredman 06-19-2020 06:55 PM

Will ivory soap be next

Chi-Town 06-19-2020 08:37 PM

Bye,Bye, Miss Eskimo Pie

Stu from NYC 06-19-2020 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1787989)
Bye,Bye, Miss Eskimo Pie

Yikes that is so sexist

manaboutown 06-19-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1787989)
Bye,Bye, Miss Eskimo Pie

George Jones - Eskimo Pie - YouTube

manaboutown 06-19-2020 10:47 PM

Great-grandson of Syracuse’s Aunt Jemima angry at her removal: ‘This is an injustice’ - syracuse.com

Barborv 06-20-2020 02:08 AM

I guess they will have to put a stop to Charles Dickens Christmas Carol which depicts the character of Scrooge or Fagen from Oliver Twist, with his big nose. Dickens was known for his Anti-Semitisim !

WHAT NEXT.

Bay Kid 06-20-2020 06:04 AM

They all need pacifiers. Everything bothers the most spoiled generation ever. If everything wasn't given to them they might go to work.

BostonRich 06-20-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1787676)
What about Rolling Stones song see red red door want to paint it black Guess that's next on the list.
Tired of it Tired of it

"and the colored girls go . . . Do-do-do, do-do, do-do-do . . .
Lou Reed

Stu from NYC 06-20-2020 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RAAndre (Post 1788142)
"and the colored girls go . . . Do-do-do, do-do, do-do-do . . .
Lou Reed

Bet no radio station will ever have the nerve to play that again.

manaboutown 06-20-2020 09:08 AM

And what about Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? Will that be played over the Christmas Holidays?

fdpaq0580 06-20-2020 09:33 AM

For some there is
 
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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1787919)
There is no common ground when it involves BLM if they don’t get their way Or they protest or tear down historical monuments

This is just my opinion. In my experience it seems that most folks like to broaden their horizons. They like to experience new foods, cultures, sights, sounds, etc. But, there are some that are uncomfortable or even afraid to leave their comfort zone, and I feel sorry for those people. I have been lucky enough to travel quite a bit in my life, seen quite a bit of the world and everywhere I have been I have found people to be generally friendly. I don't think our problems are as much about race, but about ideology and education (or lack of education). While travelling around the US, I have met nice folks who have never been out of their state or, in some cases, even their county, yet they will proudly proclaim the US is the best country in the world. While I agree with them, I ask myself "how can they be so certain". Like a child that hates spinach, but has never tasted it.
Your post mentions BLM. There are many groups that have many agendas and often the expressed agenda is not the true agenda. Hate groups use"the race card" because they know it is a very effective and decisive tool. However, if we are going to advance peacefully and positively into a better world, the truly sincere leaders of our communities must find common ground and expose the hate groups for what they truly are.

dewilson58 06-20-2020 09:36 AM

The movie White Chicks.


:popcorn:

ALadysMom 06-20-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1788069)
They all need pacifiers. Everything bothers the most spoiled generation ever. If everything wasn't given to them they might go to work.

Yeah. When the OK city bombing happened, some of questions that came to mind were never answered. Many of these troublemakers seem to be of the same ilk. How do they get money to “invest?” My family has always struggled to pay our bills and our youthful time was consumed with getting education, working, paying taxes, raising kids, etc. But the haters have seem to have unlimited time, money and energy to invest. There are obvious inconsistencies since they show up in pre-printed tshirts with their group’s messaging, have professionally printed signs and brochures, have coordinated where & when to be, and have paid travel costs & many times they have taken group transportation to get there. If they are there long enough, they must eat, use the bathroom, and sleep.

As yourself this: if YOU wanted to do what they are doing, what would that take? How would you do it? Could you do it alone? Would you do that for FREE?

I think something more is enabling them & our authorities should address that to put an abrupt halt to future problems. Shut down their benefactor.

LynneH 06-20-2020 01:08 PM

I think it is helpful to remind people that commercial brands are a reflection of the history of a culture, but regularly evolve with the market. Companies may be voicing concern about racial justice this past week, but the bottom line (pun intended) is that they will be targeted and lose market share if those brands remain out of tune with the sensibilities of their market.

Stu from NYC 06-20-2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1788225)
And what about Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? Will that be played over the Christmas Holidays?

So Rudolph must be a member of the communist party. Never thought he was a member.

eyc234 06-20-2020 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1788246)
The movie White Chicks.


:popcorn:

:popcorn: So true, have wondered how that is not racist for years???????

ALadysMom 06-20-2020 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1788367)
So Rudolph must be a member of the communist party. Never thought he was a member.

Rudolf was apparently tagged a long time ago since many years ago my child’s public school told the kindergarten’s room mothers we could not decorate reindeer cookies red M & Ms as noses but any other color would be fine. They explained that red would look too Christian, like Rudolf. I laughed hysterically at that & told them Rudolf is just about as Christian as the Easter Bunny is. They stood firm in their decision but also went on to teach the Dreidel game, the Kwanza Song and several other things because they wanted to be “inclusionary.” I didn’t mind the other cultures & religions being introduced but I did mind that only the mainstream cultural traditions & the Christian religion were excluded.

Kenswing 06-21-2020 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1788246)
The movie White Chicks.


:popcorn:

Then there's White Men Can't Jump.. :coolsmiley:

White Men Can't Jump (1992) - IMDb

ALadysMom 06-21-2020 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LynneH (Post 1788357)
I think it is helpful to remind people that commercial brands are a reflection of the history of a culture, but regularly evolve with the market. Companies may be voicing concern about racial justice this past week, but the bottom line (pun intended) is that they will be targeted and lose market share if those brands remain out of tune with the sensibilities of their market.

In these cases, the prices will rise because of rising costs caused by rebranding and demand will fall because of the loss of customer loyalty which will predictably lead to product, if not corporate, failure.

Dahabs 06-21-2020 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by skyking (Post 1786297)
I always looked at Aunt Jemima as sort of a grandmother figure. Nothing racial.

You might of been in the minority with that view.

Stu from NYC 06-21-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1788605)
You might of been in the minority with that view.

I sure never looked down at Aunt Jemima and do not understand why she needs to go.

Stu from NYC 06-21-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1788555)
Rudolf was apparently tagged a long time ago since many years ago my child’s public school told the kindergarten’s room mothers we could not decorate reindeer cookies red M & Ms as noses but any other color would be fine. They explained that red would look too Christian, like Rudolf. I laughed hysterically at that & told them Rudolf is just about as Christian as the Easter Bunny is. They stood firm in their decision but also went on to teach the Dreidel game, the Kwanza Song and several other things because they wanted to be “inclusionary.” I didn’t mind the other cultures & religions being introduced but I did mind that only the mainstream cultural traditions & the Christian religion were excluded.

Do not recognize the world we live in anymore. Poor Santa will be flying away to never never land any day now

Scorpyo 06-21-2020 08:28 AM

Many of the posts on TOTV seems to come from very disgruntled folks. Therefore, we need to get rid of that "Friendliest Town" moniker. Maybe change it to "Crankiest Town". :coolsmiley:

ALadysMom 06-21-2020 09:31 AM

Who are the Woke complainers?

They undoubtedly have a lot of baggage in their own personal & family history too. Being hypocritical has been a very consistent theme in the recent troubles.

the BLM protesters should be very angry at the leftist anarchist rioters who have hidden inside & usurped their protests. There’s some overlap but there seems to be two very different groups operating at the same events. The anarchists are using the BLM protesters as cover to hide behind so the police cannot address them without potentially harming BLM. It’s a shame BLM doesn’t act against this to protect their protesters. The police have shown great restraint but that could all change at any time.

ALadysMom 06-21-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1788744)
I sure never looked down at Aunt Jemima and do not understand why she needs to go.

Agreed. I love her sticky sweetness. It reminds me of home & my Grandma. Genuine comfort food. As a young girl, I imagined that she developed a really tasty recipe so it was named in honor of her. She even got a bottle in her likeness!

These folks want to exercise mind control as if it’s possible to stop racist thoughts if no imagery is available to trigger the thought but they are ignoring reality and personal responsibility.

Some folks may have been triggered to learn more about the history of the brand which might even have ‘spread’ (Pun intended) to learning more about American history in general.

Have you ever heard of Madame C. J. Walker? If not, there’s a lot to know about her. She was one of America’s first black female millionaire entrepreneurs. Successful black female entrepreneurs actually existed but these woke PC enforcers seem to believe they were all only folklore. Isn’t that hypocritically racist?

ALadysMom 06-21-2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1787921)
When will P&G rename ivory soap

The whole group of foods called Crackers would need rebranding too.

Stu from NYC 06-21-2020 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1788867)
Agreed. I love her sticky sweetness. It reminds me of home & my Grandma. Genuine comfort food. As a young girl, I imagined that she developed a really tasty recipe so it was named in honor of her. She even got a bottle in her likeness!

These folks want to exercise mind control as if it’s possible to stop racist thoughts if no imagery is available to trigger the thought but they are ignoring reality and personal responsibility.

Some folks may have been triggered to learn more about the history of the brand which might even have ‘spread’ (Pun intended) to learning more about American history in general.

Have you ever heard of Madame C. J. Walker? If not, there’s a lot to know about her. She was one of America’s first black female millionaire entrepreneurs. Successful black female entrepreneurs actually existed but these woke PC enforcers seem to believe they were all only folklore. Isn’t that hypocritically racist?

Bothers me that nobody talks about the progress we have made over the years. Not perfect but we are much better society than say 100 years ago.

They should have updated Aunt Jemima into a woman taking care of her family and than off to work at a high paying job.

Unfortunately the wrong people have become the leaders of the Blacks in our country. So many have become successful those are the ones who should inspire everyone, not the Sharptons of the world who are only out for themselves.

ALadysMom 06-21-2020 10:39 AM

Their stated goal is to dismantle American government and its corporations. They say they want to change America into a socialist country. Believe them.

Stu from NYC 06-21-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1788890)
Their stated goal is to dismantle American government and its corporations. They say they want to change America into a socialist country. Believe them.

I do believe them but do not understand why govt on so many levels are letting them destroy our history.

TooColdNJ 06-21-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1786122)
What? I can not believe what I just read. This can't be happening..........

After 130 Years, Aunt Jemima Will Vanish From Packaging | Georgia Public Broadcasting

What is so hard to believe? As children these characters never meant anything to many of us, and the older versions of these products are nothing more than reminiscent of the comforts of (my) childhood.

These companies that have used charicatures of minorities and stereotyping to sell their products or name roads or facilities after, have continued to profit from the racism that we still see after all these years. Kudos to the ones who are finally realizing and making changes!

It’s about time that people stop being shed in a negative light because of their differences. Change is difficult for many of us, Many people, young and old, have been raised to see no difference in race, color, or nationality—have been against it or more sensitive to The fact that minorities have been the impetus of ridicule, racism, and stereotyping through all generations to right where we are now.

As much as people resist these changes, you are amongst the many who just can’t believe it. There lies the problem...
We laugh along with everyone else when we hear stereotypical Jewish, Polish, Asian, Irish, Indian, and Italian jokes, no matter who tells them, but they ARE offensive to many who won’t even admit it because they don’t want to be perceived as different from what has become the norm... because they already are!

Many more people use their intelligence and insight to recognize that positive changes can create an environment that can someday do away with referring to and dislike of people’s differences, and instead see them as nothing more than fellow human beings. They’ve finally jumped on the bandwagon to DO SOMETHING to promote change. Why such resistance? Because you don’t believe that this has been going on, and you’ve turned a blind eye to it.

In response to someone who brought up the fact that young people aren’t even going to church anymore...
With no disrespect to church-goers and older people that are set in their ways and perceive the Bible as a manual for being good Christians, but the manual has some flaws or typos.

Young people today reject some of the teachings and are more spiritual. Their lives changed from when they were children learning how to become good Christians, to now being capable of making a difference in the world because of their own choices, especially regarding organized religion of any kind. You don’t have to go to a house of worship if God is everywhere, providing that you believe in him. Obvious in these forums, and right here in the Villages, church-going DOES NOT always promote good Christians (or any religion). In fact, the Bible is the exact reference that clearly are the roots of Antisemitism that still exists— it started as a result of the those teachings in the Bible where Jewish people were portrayed as “cheap,” amongst other things. (they’re not not as cheap or cheaper than many Villagers). This stereotype originated thousands of years ago, is recorded as a biblical event that has perpetuated this anti-semitism amongst some of the church-going, God-loving, good Christians. There are two versions of “the truth”: the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The negative portrayal of minorities through religion and history, along with the media that continued it for many years, perpetuated what we‘re still seeing now in 2020.

Let statues rest in historical museums, not destroy them OR allow them to remain in full view as reminders of their ancestors who suffered at the hands of others for so long. Today’s and future generations shouldn’t have to still fight for the equality that they deserve. Everyone doesn’t have the ability, opportunity, or a break that comes along to pull themselves out of poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.

Rallies and protests, although there are bad apples in every bunch, are trying to change people’s views.. Being intimidated by police in full riot gear, and the senseless deaths have just magnified the racism in this country.

TooColdNJ 06-21-2020 11:10 AM

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TooColdNJ 06-21-2020 11:14 AM

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coffeebean 06-25-2020 02:20 PM

Hubby just heard the female singing group, The Dixie Chicks, are dropping the "Dixie" in their group name. What is going to happen to the type of music called Dixie Land? This is truly getting out of hand.

I abhor these people that are protesting and causing this Cancel Culture movement. Do away with every last one of them. Cancel those b@$%^&^s.

ALadysMom 06-25-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1788923)
What is so hard to believe? As children these characters never meant anything to many of us, and the older versions of these products are nothing more than reminiscent of the comforts of (my) childhood.

These companies that have used charicatures of minorities and stereotyping to sell their products or name roads or facilities after, have continued to profit from the racism that we still see after all these years. Kudos to the ones who are finally realizing and making changes!

It’s about time that people stop being shed in a negative light because of their differences. Change is difficult for many of us, Many people, young and old, have been raised to see no difference in race, color, or nationality—have been against it or more sensitive to The fact that minorities have been the impetus of ridicule, racism, and stereotyping through all generations to right where we are now.

As much as people resist these changes, you are amongst the many who just can’t believe it. There lies the problem...
We laugh along with everyone else when we hear stereotypical Jewish, Polish, Asian, Irish, Indian, and Italian jokes, no matter who tells them, but they ARE offensive to many who won’t even admit it because they don’t want to be perceived as different from what has become the norm... because they already are!

Many more people use their intelligence and insight to recognize that positive changes can create an environment that can someday do away with referring to and dislike of people’s differences, and instead see them as nothing more than fellow human beings. They’ve finally jumped on the bandwagon to DO SOMETHING to promote change. Why such resistance? Because you don’t believe that this has been going on, and you’ve turned a blind eye to it.

In response to someone who brought up the fact that young people aren’t even going to church anymore...
With no disrespect to church-goers and older people that are set in their ways and perceive the Bible as a manual for being good Christians, but the manual has some flaws or typos.

Young people today reject some of the teachings and are more spiritual. Their lives changed from when they were children learning how to become good Christians, to now being capable of making a difference in the world because of their own choices, especially regarding organized religion of any kind. You don’t have to go to a house of worship if God is everywhere, providing that you believe in him. Obvious in these forums, and right here in the Villages, church-going DOES NOT always promote good Christians (or any religion). In fact, the Bible is the exact reference that clearly are the roots of Antisemitism that still exists— it started as a result of the those teachings in the Bible where Jewish people were portrayed as “cheap,” amongst other things. (they’re not not as cheap or cheaper than many Villagers). This stereotype originated thousands of years ago, is recorded as a biblical event that has perpetuated this anti-semitism amongst some of the church-going, God-loving, good Christians. There are two versions of “the truth”: the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The negative portrayal of minorities through religion and history, along with the media that continued it for many years, perpetuated what we‘re still seeing now in 2020.

Let statues rest in historical museums, not destroy them OR allow them to remain in full view as reminders of their ancestors who suffered at the hands of others for so long. Today’s and future generations shouldn’t have to still fight for the equality that they deserve. Everyone doesn’t have the ability, opportunity, or a break that comes along to pull themselves out of poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.

Rallies and protests, although there are bad apples in every bunch, are trying to change people’s views.. Being intimidated by police in full riot gear, and the senseless deaths have just magnified the racism in this country.

Just an educated guess :)
...public school teacher?

Your broad generalizations (stereotyping) of Christianity are very biased, bigoted and incorrect. Churches are places of worship where people feel the support, fellowship & love of others. The belief that God is everywhere doesn’t replace the benefits of a church. They complement each other. Being part of a Christian group does not mean we should be demeaned by those who uphold all protesters as though they are above reproach. Politics and protesting are being held up as if they are a valid replacement for religion.

Rallies & protests are an attempt to show solidarity with larger group of others who share one’s own views in order to force the system to change.

Those who attend BLM protests are having their influence usurped by the thugs who riot, loot & destroy. If BLM has any decency they would work to stop the bad actors who are using their protests as cover from the police. BLM is allowing the protesters to be put at risk so apparently their protesters lives don’t matter very much at all.

Stu from NYC 06-25-2020 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1791901)
Hubby just heard the female singing group, The Dixie Chicks, are dropping the "Dixie" in their group name. What is going to happen to the type of music called Dixie Land? This is truly getting out of hand.

I abhor these people that are protesting and causing this Cancel Culture movement. Do away with every last one of them. Cancel those b@$%^&^s.

Didnt know they were still around. Didnt care for them before and now dont care about them even less.

ColdNoMore 06-25-2020 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1788923)
What is so hard to believe? As children these characters never meant anything to many of us, and the older versions of these products are nothing more than reminiscent of the comforts of (my) childhood.

These companies that have used charicatures of minorities and stereotyping to sell their products or name roads or facilities after, have continued to profit from the racism that we still see after all these years. Kudos to the ones who are finally realizing and making changes!

It’s about time that people stop being shed in a negative light because of their differences. Change is difficult for many of us, Many people, young and old, have been raised to see no difference in race, color, or nationality—have been against it or more sensitive to The fact that minorities have been the impetus of ridicule, racism, and stereotyping through all generations to right where we are now.

As much as people resist these changes, you are amongst the many who just can’t believe it. There lies the problem...
We laugh along with everyone else when we hear stereotypical Jewish, Polish, Asian, Irish, Indian, and Italian jokes, no matter who tells them, but they ARE offensive to many who won’t even admit it because they don’t want to be perceived as different from what has become the norm... because they already are!

Many more people use their intelligence and insight to recognize that positive changes can create an environment that can someday do away with referring to and dislike of people’s differences, and instead see them as nothing more than fellow human beings. They’ve finally jumped on the bandwagon to DO SOMETHING to promote change. Why such resistance? Because you don’t believe that this has been going on, and you’ve turned a blind eye to it.

In response to someone who brought up the fact that young people aren’t even going to church anymore...
With no disrespect to church-goers and older people that are set in their ways and perceive the Bible as a manual for being good Christians, but the manual has some flaws or typos.

Young people today reject some of the teachings and are more spiritual. Their lives changed from when they were children learning how to become good Christians, to now being capable of making a difference in the world because of their own choices, especially regarding organized religion of any kind. You don’t have to go to a house of worship if God is everywhere, providing that you believe in him. Obvious in these forums, and right here in the Villages, church-going DOES NOT always promote good Christians (or any religion). In fact, the Bible is the exact reference that clearly are the roots of Antisemitism that still exists— it started as a result of the those teachings in the Bible where Jewish people were portrayed as “cheap,” amongst other things. (they’re not not as cheap or cheaper than many Villagers). This stereotype originated thousands of years ago, is recorded as a biblical event that has perpetuated this anti-semitism amongst some of the church-going, God-loving, good Christians. There are two versions of “the truth”: the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The negative portrayal of minorities through religion and history, along with the media that continued it for many years, perpetuated what we‘re still seeing now in 2020.

Let statues rest in historical museums, not destroy them OR allow them to remain in full view as reminders of their ancestors who suffered at the hands of others for so long. Today’s and future generations shouldn’t have to still fight for the equality that they deserve. Everyone doesn’t have the ability, opportunity, or a break that comes along to pull themselves out of poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.

Rallies and protests, although there are bad apples in every bunch, are trying to change people’s views.. Being intimidated by police in full riot gear, and the senseless deaths have just magnified the racism in this country.


Well written, well stated and an all-around...excellent post. :thumbup:


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