Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2002428)

I can find no evidence that people who are fully vaccinated account for 14 percent of hospitalization.

The Delta Variant is FAR more contagious and there have been many break through cases that I am aware of personally, but only one who was hospitalized: Dr. Boogie on this forum.

Originally Posted by Irishmen (Post 2003762)

Just last month it was misinformation to say you could be jabbed and still catch and transmit. Then, it was explained it was the un-jabbed causing the outbreak. So whats the excuse for Israel, one of the most jabbed nations in the world is now on thier 4th wave of infections and thousands are getting sick, being hospitalized and dying. Israel is the canary in the mine shaft. A preview of what we are likely to face in coming months. Israel is already on they 4th booster. The narrtive of safe and effective is starting to get away from the establishment. Bill Gates is real happy these days....

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003579)

Right and if you get really sick with a life long illness from the vaccine...you are on your own....unless you take the BioNTech label...then you can go after them but never Pfizer. they are protected.....so ask for the BioNTech label and watch the look on their face.

Originally Posted by Irishmen (Post 2003762)

Just last month it was misinformation to say you could be jabbed and still catch and transmit. Then, it was explained it was the un-jabbed causing the outbreak. So whats the excuse for Israel, one of the most jabbed nations in the world is now on thier 4th wave of infections and thousands are getting sick, being hospitalized and dying. Israel is the canary in the mine shaft. A preview of what we are likely to face in coming months. Israel is already on they 4th booster. The narrtive of safe and effective is starting to get away from the establishment. Bill Gates is real happy these days....

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2003329)

Well, Byte1, it is the unvaccinated by far, who catch Covid although that will likely change as the vaccine without a booster will be less and less protective to the vaccinated. And the ‘live free or die’ type tend not to get vaccinated in the first place. The virus looks for easy targets. Like them. Yum! It is resilient, it is a survivor. Are we?

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2003837)

I finally found where he got those numbers that he is clinging tightly to prove Covid is a hoax...After all if US death rates did not go up, then Covid isn't killing people. From a google search see image below. What he did NOT do is click on the link where it says in a great big highlighted box

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

Sometimes Google alone is not enough. But at least you provided another example of my sig line, that people will find something to support their opinion no matter how wrong their material may be.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2003329)

Well, Byte1, it is the unvaccinated by far, who catch Covid although that will likely change as the vaccine without a booster will be less and less protective to the vaccinated. And the ‘live free or die’ type tend not to get vaccinated in the first place. The virus looks for easy targets. Like them. Yum! It is resilient, it is a survivor. Are we?

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2003843)

The problem with your supposition is that you(and many others) are assuming that anyone without a vaccination and anyone without a mask are INFECTED and contagious.
What are the chances that you will encounter someone that is infected?
In such an encounter, what is the chance that you will become infected?
If infected, what is the chance that you will be hospitalized?
If hospitalized, what is the chance that you will DIE?
Taking all that into consideration , your best bet is to wear thick body armor and stay away from any area that has moving vehicles, do not use mobile transportation of any type, and drink only distilled water.
I have no problem with vaccinations. I also have no problem with those that do not get vaccinated. Looking at the law of probability regarding the chance of my getting infected with or without a vaccination and with or without a mask, I am not fooled by the media and the gov into thinking that I need a nanny to mandate every facet of my lifestyle. And patriotism is not an issue here, so lets drop that tactic.
I can support vaccinations but I do not believe in mandates of this sort.
But staying on subject, I am not sure whether or not I will obtain a booster. And as of this time, the booster is not really supported by the federal gov research. If and when they decide that it might be advantageous, I might consider it. But, since I am in great shape and better than many that have survived the virus, I may abstain from participation.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2003480)

Yes, as of now, but it looks like the protection of the mRNA vaccine is dropping. And not proportionally to time lapsed since getting the vaccine, but logarithmically. Therefore the need for boosters.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2003875)

Yes, it is dropping but NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY proportional to TIME-LAPSED. The time depends on the person's age - greater age means greater drop, in general. But, not for everyone. It also depends on the individual's inherent ability to RETAIN the anti-bodies that their own body produced against the CV - there are individual differences, based on some (?) yet to be studied internal human mechanisms for disease protection. Also, Co-morbidities, immuno-suppressant diseases, organ transplant recipients, and the medications taken for these and other diseases seem to negatively impact the effectiveness of the vaccine over time. AND there are probably MORE factors as yet to be studied.
Incidentally......it is interesting to note that 3 or 4 national radio hosts that WERE famously against vaccinations (so-called jabs) are now INFAMOUS for having DIED painfully of CV in a hospital. They stated that they WISHED that they had gotten VACCINATED. Personally, I would not be waiting for God to vaccinate me - I did and would again ask for an earthly vaccination against the deadly disease - CV.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2003579)

Right and if you get really sick with a life long illness from the vaccine...you are on your own....unless you take the BioNTech label...then you can go after them but never Pfizer. they are protected.....so ask for the BioNTech label and watch the look on their face.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2003819)

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Of course ducat was corrected. He is getting his opinion from far right wing blogs.



and instead of admitting the error, learning from it, maybe even thanking the poster for adding to his knowledge and apologizing for posting false information, we get this reply




Ducat is wrong again. I'm not sure whose face we are supposed to look at, but his (or her) understanding of vaccine liability in the US is wrong. When you get almost any vaccine in this country the manufacturer's liability is covered by a federal program. This is not unique to Covid shots. It is true of the MMR, the DTap etc. All the Covid vaccines, not just Pfizer's are covered by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program. Vaccines for children and pregnant women are covered under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program which was signed into law by Reagan in 1986.

And there is no such thing as a stand alone "the BioNTech vaccine." The correct name and the name that was used in emergency approval is Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Once Pfizer -BioNTech got full authorization for use of this vaccine in people 16 and older they then rebranded with a commercial name, Comirnaty, while the identical vaccine being given under emergency authorization is still Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for those 12 to 15. Further, the authorization allows the use of either of these vaccines in all circumstances where either is authorized, because they are identical. If all I have in my freezer is Comirnaty and I wish to vaccinate a 12 year old it can be used. If all I have is Pfizer-BioNTech and I wish to immunize a 60 year old I can use it. A Datsun is a Nissan, a Nissan is a Datsun. So simple to understand.

You can read the history of the association of Pfizer, a US company, and BioNTech, a German company in the development [all in Germany], manufacture, and sales of this vaccine.

Originally Posted by Irishmen (Post 2003762)

Just last month it was misinformation to say you could be jabbed and still catch and transmit. Then, it was explained it was the un-jabbed causing the outbreak. So whats the excuse for Israel, one of the most jabbed nations in the world is now on thier 4th wave of infections and thousands are getting sick, being hospitalized and dying. Israel is the canary in the mine shaft. A preview of what we are likely to face in coming months. Israel is already on they 4th booster. The narrtive of safe and effective is starting to get away from the establishment. Bill Gates is real happy these days....