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MDLNB 05-14-2021 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1944125)
Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us

And the polls show that it will be those that have been vaccinated that will be the last and most hesitant to remove their masks. If you do not believe in science, and do not have confidence in the very vaccination that you demand others to to take, there is no credibility in your argument.

I got my shots, like a good lil serf and now I act as if I am protected from the virus. If everyone on here that has been vaccinated feels that they are still vulnerable, perhaps I was a bit too hasty in getting my vaccination and should rethink this whole matter of vaccination.

MDLNB 05-14-2021 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1944282)
An endless debate. Truth, REALITY, I don't know or particularly care why some people think it is such a big deal. I do wonder about posters. Imagine if anything REALLY was wrong.

In terms of posts, endless debate about driving, round a bouts, speed. Masks, if it is a thurs and the sun is up you must wear a mask? Or perhaps it should be tied to the tides?
Simple, people can handle it. Wear a mask. Now our great leaders. You will need to check the day of the week and the tide chart.

Vaccinated? Will we now demand people carry proof they have been vaccinated? Will we not object to random police stops demanding to see your paperwork? Self responsibility?
Read any of the threads about round a bouts, speed etc. Chance of self responsibility working is zero in the real world.

Good point. They scream about rights when it comes to stop and frisk for possible deadly guns in the hands of punks and criminals, but when it comes to demanding proof of vaccination, all RIGHTS are abandoned and the Constitution is trashed.

MDLNB 05-14-2021 11:37 AM
News Flash! No one is demanding that you remove your masks. If you are scared, you are still allowed to wear your mask. Do you really care if you are labeled as one that has not been vaccinated? Do you really think that anyone that has not been vaccinated is going to wear their masks, anyway? Wear you mask if you feel the need for a a placebo/safety blanket. If you believe that a mask is going to protect you, go for it. Carry a rabbit foot too, because between the mask and a rabbit's foot you should be able to function in society.

Spalumbos62 05-14-2021 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 1944314)
By The Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — New York Yankees shortstop Gleyber Torres tested positive for Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated and having previously contracted the coronavirus during the offseason.

Torres is among eight so-called breakthrough positives among the Yankees — people who tested positive despite being fully vaccinated.


Yes....they only tested positive....no symptoms....only problem is the person hanging out with them that is not vaccinated...that's basically it...stop crying wolf...unnecessary!

graciegirl 05-14-2021 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 1944313)
I believe it was 7 members of a baseball team (Yankees?) who came down with Covid after being vaccinated! Keep your eyes and ears open. I'm not taking off my mask for a while!!!!!!:boom:
Had you thought that those seven may have been jammed in a booth with a server who was contagious and they were incubating the germ before they got vaccinated?

The very first people that I knew here in The Villages to get Covid-19 were two sisters who went with ten neighbors to Orange Blossom Garden to eat to celebrate St. Patrick's day, a year ago March. Six out of the ten got sick. My friends, sisters, one ended up in the hospital on a ventilator, her sister was so sick at home that at one time she had to be brought to emergency to be re-hydrated. They said the server appeared to have a sniffling sneezing cold.

I think it will take years to evaluate and give precise answers to all of our questions about Covid-19. Each must do what they feel comfortable doing. I am thinking that I hope that no one who sees me maskless thinks I don't care. This was one nasty year for all of us.

golfing eagles 05-14-2021 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 1944314)
By The Associated Press
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — New York Yankees shortstop Gleyber Torres tested positive for Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated and having previously contracted the coronavirus during the offseason.

Torres is among eight so-called breakthrough positives among the Yankees — people who tested positive despite being fully vaccinated.
And 4 of my neighbors left for a trip last week, all fully vaccinated, and 3 of the 4 tested positive, nobody sick, went to another site and tested negative. This either means the test does (and always has) sucked, or the test is picking up some RNA sequence of the vaccine.(which I doubt). But testing positive if you are not sick pretty much means nothing, especially if you are vaccinated and around others that are also. My mask is OFF unless REQUIRED. Not "requested", not "pretty please" but REQUIRED

Tmarkwald 05-14-2021 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1944376)
and 4 of my neighbors left for a trip last week, all fully vaccinated, and 3 of the 4 tested positive, nobody sick, went to another site and tested negative. This either means the test does (and always has) sucked, or the test is picking up some rna sequence of the vaccine.(which i doubt). But testing positive if you are not sick pretty much means nothing, especially if you are vaccinated and around others that are also. My mask is off unless required. Not "requested", not "pretty please" but required

yes !

Brynnie 05-14-2021 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1944122)
Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.
That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?

Tmarkwald 05-14-2021 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Brynnie (Post 1944557)
That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?
Really? You know, of you run in front of a truck you might get hit.

So the driver should drive slower just in case someone jumps out?

Ok, anyway, you have to provide for your own health safety. Not I, not the neighbor, nor the guy down the road.

To tell people to wear a mask 'in case' someone who is highly at risk decides to come party is ridiculous.

Bucco 05-14-2021 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1944604)
Really? You know, of you run in front of a truck you might get hit.

So the driver should drive slower just in case someone jumps out?

Ok, anyway, you have to provide for your own health safety. Not I, not the neighbor, nor the guy down the road.

To tell people to wear a mask 'in case' someone who is highly at risk decides to come party is ridiculous.
Ok...we got it. You know all. Why do have to post lies and misinformation. Your point was made with do sarcasm, and cut.

Misleading is a symptom.....why not tell the truth

We should tell the world about you......how lucky we are to have your intelligent, empathetic, comments to lead us

stanley 05-14-2021 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1944609)

We should tell the world about you......how lucky we are to have your intelligent, empathetic, comments to lead us
Ya know.....I could say...pot meet kettle.............but I won't.

Tmarkwald 05-15-2021 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1944624)
Ya know.....I could say...pot meet kettle.............but I won't.
The is a distinct difference between empathetic and stupidity.

Read about it

EdFNJ 05-15-2021 09:40 AM
At this point in time since so many of us have been vaccinated my feelings are if the anti-vaxers, non-vaxers and others who just don't care want to run around with their masks off because no one is checking and if they are unlucky enough and get very sick or become flaccid for the rest of their lives :) that's their concern not mine. If a store requests a mask be worn, whether it matters or not because I was vaccinated, I will do it as a courtesy to those who work there whether it medically means diddly or not. It's simply courtesy. Sometimes what goes around comes around (no pun intended).

golfing eagles 05-15-2021 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1944956)
At this point in time since so many of us have been vaccinated my feelings are if the anti-vaxers, non-vaxers and others who just don't care want to run around with their masks off because no one is checking and if they are unlucky enough and get very sick or become flaccid for the rest of their lives :) that's their concern not mine. If a store requests a mask be worn, whether it matters or not because I was vaccinated, I will do it as a courtesy to those who work there whether it medically means diddly or not. It's simply courtesy. Sometimes what goes around comes around (no pun intended).
Sorry, but my thoughts are that a store that wants its customers to wear a mask should put out the sign "masks REQUIRED". Being fully vaccinated, I will ignore any sign that simply say "requested" or "please wear". This is NOT rude, like it would be if invited to a house party where the host requests masks be worn, it is a business, and therefore can REQUIRE masks if they so choose.

EdFNJ 05-15-2021 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1944974)
Sorry, but my thoughts are that a store that wants its customers to wear a mask should put out the sign "masks REQUIRED". Being fully vaccinated, I will ignore any sign that simply say "requested" or "please wear". This is NOT rude, like it would be if invited to a house party where the host requests masks be worn, it is a business, and therefore can REQUIRE masks if they so choose.
You are correct, technically REQUIRES not REQUESTS. Target still says REQUIRED (as of Today) and we were the last 2 days and 25% were not. Thinking about it though, even if they "request" that generally means they want you to but they don't want to start fights with the tyranny and freedom folks so that's how they wiggle out of confrontation..

MDLNB 05-16-2021 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brynnie (Post 1944557)
That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?

Why?

coffeebean 05-16-2021 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1944122)
Welcome back to living. We have been dining out for months, without masks and without the vaccine. I know, I'm one of those ignorant, selfish people who don't buy into the hysteria over a virus with a 99% survival rate.
Maybe so but the 1% might kill ya.

coffeebean 05-16-2021 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by camaguey48 (Post 1944139)
But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.
Yup. You CAN ask. Check it out here............

No, it’s not a HIPAA violation to ask if someone is vaccinated | ABC27

coffeebean 05-16-2021 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1944147)
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All I see in your avatar is her absolutely gorgeous bewitching eyes.

coffeebean 05-16-2021 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1944180)
Covid is unique in that it resulted in a Pandemic and the death toll is incredibly high. Plus is it very contagious. So they are writing a new set of rulebooks on this.

You are correct about HIPPA. But, it is your choice whether to take part in whatever activity requires you to provide proof. So, the activity is purely optional.

It's interesting you mention vaccinations to visit other countries. I just found my shot record I had to carry everywhere in the past. I couldn't even board the flight with it.

Airlines are responsible for checking vaccination requirements of your destination before you board. I don't see any of that changing. As more and more countries require Covid vaccinations, it will become second nature for travelers to keep their cards with them.

I have read that each state has a depository of vaccination records that can be used. For what I read, this is how cruise lines will check for vaccine compliance, although you WILL have to sign a release form for them to check the state records. So, you may not need the card at that time.

We're still wearing baby shoes and taking baby steps right now!
Is our governor aware of this practice that will be taking place for cruise lines to gain access to our vaccine records? Seems he does not want the cruise lines or any business to check for proof of vaccine. If that is the case, how will Floridians travel to countries that require proof of vaccine? Seems our governor is not a chess player and has no clue what he has proposed with his new law.

Byte1 05-16-2021 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tee4ta (Post 1944090)
Finally! I believe the change is only for those who are fully vaccinated. I hope this motivates people who may be on the fence about getting the vaccine.
Why would it make a difference? Now, they can continue to go about their business without worrying about the vaccinated giving them a hard time for not wearing their masks. You cannot force anyone to be vaccinated. They have their reasons for not getting the shots. Just like you have your reasons for getting the shots. It's still a free country.

Byte1 05-16-2021 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1944125)
Dumb stipulation too. Obviously the ones not vaccinated will say they are. They are the same ones who have cried about wearing a mask this past year so will be the first to pull it off and breath on the rest of us
If you are vaccinated, you shouldn't care whether they "breath on" you. You either had enough confidence in the vaccine or you don't.

coffeebean 05-16-2021 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1944183)
Doesn't really make sense. It's the vaccines that changed the playing field. If changing the guidelines was the only thing needed to get people back to work; then they should have changed them a year ago.


I think the change in guidelines has more to do with the changing public sentiment than it has to do with science. Even some of the well-known hosts of the opinion programs on the cable news channels are questioning why masks are required. Changing the guidelines, IMO, demonstrates the manipulation the CDC has been conducting on the populace. Think about it. What has changed since November that makes fully vaccinated folks safe today but not back then? If the vaccines are effective (and I believe they are) there's no reason for anyone fully vaccinated to wear a mask at all.
More people are vaccinated. That could be the reason for the new guidance. I think so. We aren't at herd immunity yet so that is the reason why only vaccinated people can take the masks off safely. Those who are not vaccinated yet act like they are by not wearing masks, are more vulnerable to contracting Covid. Good luck to those folks who are not protected.

coffeebean 05-16-2021 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1944236)
Beside a blatent disregard for others, it doesn't take a math wiz to figure out that a 99% survival rate (many with serious lifelong neurological and other issues) would mean

3.28 MILLION AMERCANS DEAD

Apparently, that is perfectly acceptable to you?
People love to spout off the this virus is 99% survivable but when you get down to it, that is a whole hell of a lot of people. And......to think of those that do survive with transplanted lungs, and all sorts of long haul side effects, that 99% survival rate does not seem so great.

But......there is hope for the Covid long haulers. Seems the mRNA vaccines give many long haulers relief from their long haul side effects. Now, isn't that special???? (think of Dana Carvey when you read that.)

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1945369)
If you are vaccinated, you shouldn't care whether they "breath on" you. You either had enough confidence in the vaccine or you don't.
If you wear a seat belt you might as well drive 120mph through the Villages, why not, you should trust your seat belt.

coffeebean 05-16-2021 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1944254)
What irritates me are newscasters standing on the street, nobody within 50 feet of them, wearing a mask.
What I would like to see is the people on The Today Show move closer together on set. I know they are all vaccinated because they all received their first shots on camera so they could set a good example to the American people. Now lets show everyone that they trust the vaccine and move closer together. Same with Kelly and Ryan. What is stopping them from getting closer together? They do that trick photography with the camera to make it look like they are sitting close together but they are really very well separated.

If everyone is vaccinated, they should show their confidence in the vaccines.

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1945489)
What I would like to see is the people on The Today Show move closer together on set. I know they are all vaccinated because they all received their first shots on camera so they could set a good example to the American people. Now lets show everyone that they trust the vaccine and move closer together. Same with Kelly and Ryan. What is stopping them from getting closer together? They do that trick photography with the camera to make it look like they are sitting close together but they are really very well separated.

If everyone is vaccinated, show they should show their confidence in the vaccines.
Everyone is doing it, it must be a conspiracy.

Byte1 05-16-2021 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945484)
If you wear a seat belt you might as well drive 120mph through the Villages, why not, you should trust your seat belt.
what's that got to do with the virus? Is the seat belt advertised as saving you if you crash doing 120mph? I guess some folks can't have a discussion without using extremes.

Byte1 05-16-2021 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1945310)
Maybe so but the 1% might kill ya.
So could food poisoning.

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1945506)
what's that got to do with the virus? Is the seat belt advertised as saving you if you crash doing 120mph? I guess some folks can't have a discussion without using extremes.
Extremes are only valid when used against vaccines? I see almost every post against vaccines saying once vaccinated you CAN NOT spread the virus, you CAN NOT get the virus, and on and on. Absolutes fly frequently on this forum

My example was to say seat belts, air bags, crash cages all safety features that help you survive a crash. The same is true of the vaccine, it helps, nothing is 100%. But many litte things helping is better than NOTHING.

Villageswimmer 05-16-2021 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1944254)
What irritates me are newscasters standing on the street, nobody within 50 feet of them, wearing a mask.
Why should that irritate you? Who cares?

Byte1 05-16-2021 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1945518)
Why should that irritate you? Who cares?
Actually, it does make it difficult to understand them. Even when COVID was at it's peak (if possible) a broadcaster standing at a distance should be able to take off his/her mask in order to communicate with the public. I do not give credibility to anyone saying it's dangerous, yet they will stand in a combat zone with rockets exploding all around them, showing how brave they are. Just my opinion, but I understand the ludicrous idea of a newsperson feeling they must wear a mask to deliver three lines of supposed news.

Gulfcoast 05-16-2021 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1945506)
what's that got to do with the virus? Is the seat belt advertised as saving you if you crash doing 120mph? I guess some folks can't have a discussion without using extremes.
A better analogy: My neighbor got a DUI, therefore I shouldn't drive, either (even though I have a perfect driving record and never drink).

If you have gotten your vaccination, you are safe! You won't be getting the virus from anyone else.Time to stop worrying about what others are doing and live your life.

Justus 05-16-2021 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Brynnie (Post 1944557)
That 99% survival rate is not necessarily applicable to people with comorbidities (cancer, heart disease, diabetes), who may be dining in that restaurant, too. How about a little consideration for them?
You know...I was at a breakfast shop in TV on Saturday. A fully masked woman was standing in line by our table as we were eating. She suddenly pulled her mask off, sneezed on me and my food, then replaced her mask. Two weeks ago, I saw a fully masked man at the coffee/condiment bar. He pulled up his mask, licked his entire row of fingers, and proceeded to handle all items within his reach - with those fingers. That same day, another fully masked woman and her fully masked husband came in to sit at the table next to us. Before taking their seats, she pulled a large bottle of disinfectant from her purse and wiped down every surface. Halfway through her meal, she pulled her mask off and sneezed loudly into the open air, then replaced her mask. So DO please preach the line of how "considerate and caring of others" all the "maskers" are compared to those of us who choose to breathe.

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1945555)
You know...I was at a breakfast shop in TV on Saturday. A fully masked woman was standing in line by our table as we were eating. She suddenly pulled her mask off, sneezed on me and my food, then replaced her mask. Two weeks ago, I saw a fully masked man at the coffee/condiment bar. He pulled up his mask, licked his entire row of fingers, and proceeded to handle all items within his reach - with those fingers. That same day, another fully masked woman and her fully masked husband came in to sit at the table next to us. Before taking their seats, she pulled a large bottle of disinfectant from her purse and wiped down every surface. Halfway through her meal, she pulled her mask off and sneezed loudly into the open air, then replaced her mask. So DO please preach the line of how "considerate and caring of others" all the "maskers" are compared to those of us who choose to breathe.
Would you please provide a link, reference, or anything that confirms anyone has ever said ALL maskers are considerate or others?

Nothing like painting with a broad brush.

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1945545)
A better analogy: My neighbor got a DUI, therefore I shouldn't drive, either (even though I have a perfect driving record and never drink).

If you have gotten your vaccination, you are safe! You won't be getting the virus from anyone else.Time to stop worrying about what others are doing and live your life.
My concern for others has nothing to do with my being vaccinated. It is my belief that we as a society should all do our part to help solve problems that affect all of us.

I know, I am just one of those, "I got mine, so screw you" liberals.

Justus 05-16-2021 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945566)
Would you please provide a link, reference, or anything that confirms anyone has ever said ALL maskers are considerate or others?

Nothing like painting with a broad brush.
Nice try. This is supposed to be intimidating how?

charmed59 05-16-2021 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by camaguey48 (Post 1944139)
But, but, but. How do we know who is fully vaccinated? Do we carry a "I'm fully vaccinated" ID card? A arm patch? A decal on our car? How do we know? Ask, maybe? That could get a little uncomfortable.
It’s on the honor system. We need to trust our fellow citizens will do the honorable thing.

Gulfcoast 05-16-2021 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945568)
My concern for others has nothing to do with my being vaccinated. It is my belief that we as a society should all do our part to help solve problems that affect all of us.

I know, I am just one of those, "I got mine, so screw you" liberals.
Drunk driving is a societal problem. Time to hand over all our driver's licenses and give up our cars. You know that would make no sense.

Neither did shutting down schools to "keep kids safe". Now there could be as many as 3 million children who haven't attended school online or in person in over a year.

We have to use common sense. Certainly making sure that the most vulnerable get top priority for receiving the vaccine was a good, common sense move.

Demanding that all others follow suit, whether they've already had the virus or not, is not reasonable. They are not at great risk from the virus to begin with and the vaccine is not without potential side effects, some of them pretty serious.

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1945569)
Nice try. This is supposed to be intimidating how?
I don't see anything about my post that should be construed as intimidating. It certainly was not intended that way.

I read an article about how to make people, not like you the other day, it was based on people assuming negative intent in other people's comments.


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