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gettingby 09-14-2020 07:32 AM
I was born a caucasian male, that I had no control of. I think that puts me in the 73% category in America, black people are 12.1%. I would think some of the 73% would be needed to address the issues of the 12.1%. I’m also a veteran and love my country. I am a Christian and try to love my fellow man (still working on this one). It angers me so much to see the disrespect to my flag that I don’t even want to hear the reason. Need to find a better way, this won’t work. I close my wallet.

Dana1963 09-14-2020 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FromNY (Post 1832583)
Let's protest by putting a list of sponsors out there and NOT BUY their products. Since I do not watch Help is needed in getting that list. We all know it's all about money!
Your idea I nominate you put up or __________. It’s so much easier for others to do the work.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 09-14-2020 07:51 AM
Some of us have bigger issues ??? I think not since I won all of the 3 games I bet yesterday. Huffing and puffing over something you say you didn’t watch makes me chuckle. I could have used all you flag waving patriots during my many years in Vietnam and Laos.

Dana1963 09-14-2020 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FromDC (Post 1832439)
Today, the Packers stayed in the locker room when they played the National Anthem. Disgusting.
So now your more offended at staying in locker room than knelling. You keep moving the goal post. Would you prefer them burning the flag that is disrespect!

Neils 09-14-2020 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1832433)
Yet, the NFL is showing a promotional ad today that says, "Football is a Microcosm of America".

Who agrees with that statement? I don't.
NFL is a business. Boycott them forever

lem001 09-14-2020 08:31 AM
agree about madden
 
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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 1832535)
john madden. Afraid to fly. Cris crossed usa in trains
i especially like him in the movie "Replacements" when he said he liked to see a fat man score - and you get the fat man dance

OhioBuckeye 09-14-2020 08:52 AM
Just this morning on the news they said not a single player on the Colts team took a knee but the coach did. That SOB should be fired. Also heard that players play better if people are in stands. If any team has 1 player that takes a knee during the National Anthem, I hope they don’t win a game all season, I have no respect for that team just like they don’t have any respect for our flag or our military that keeps them free to play their little football game & make millions of dollars a yr. They’re just a bunch spoiled babies!

tvbound 09-14-2020 09:01 AM
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Truth.

Challenger 09-14-2020 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1832443)
I love to watch football. I will not watch the NFL (again) this year. I could possibly ignore the signs of protest - though I think most are, at the least, misinformed. I cannot, and will not, ignore signs of disrespect during the nation anthem.
So, people in the stands with a beer (and more toxic substances) in their hands , swaying and talking. Not standing at "attention" or anything that resembles it. , Not with their hands over their hearts, not removing their hats, ----- some respect. In fact I would offer that playing our National Anthem in such an atmosphere is disrespect.

Smilingfeelsgood 09-14-2020 09:25 AM
As did the Phila Eagles and two others. I served over-seas during Vietnam so these "bleepers" could disrespect our flag.

2daisy 09-14-2020 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by camaguey48 (Post 1832546)
So did the Dolphins. This issue has been beaten to death so I will move on and resolve to not watch these illiterate fools act like spoiled children. They want to stay In the locker room? That's their right. I hope one day they realize that they are supporting a Marxist organization whose purpose is to create destruction, hate, discord and totalitarianism. Let them protest in China about the human rights abuses that occur and the persecution and incarceration of dissidents. The slave trade occurring in Africa and the Middle East, child abuse and exploitation along with sex trafficking right here.

If America is so bad, why are people still coming here to find freedom and opportunity? Vote, because America's future depends on us. God Bless our nation.
Amen:bigbow:

Topspinmo 09-14-2020 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1832427)
Some Folks Have Come to Despise the NFL...
For fans who follow the sport, most of this will be a simple reminder of things you already know. For the rest, it's a wake-up call:

In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling before each game to pray, they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his eye-black to avoid glare, and made him take it off.

In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders.

In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.

In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure "eye black for breast cancer awareness.

In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (Not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem..).

In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty.

2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11.

So tell me again how the NFL supports free speech and expression. It seems quite clear based on these facts that the NFL has taken a position against any action by NFL players demonstrating RESPECT for any issue: For God, social causes such as mental health, cancer, domestic violence, for cops killed arbitrarily, for being cops, or for the Memory of 9/11...

BUT they will allow demonstrations of DISRESPECT for our National Flag, our National Anthem, for America, and for the American People, if it will help mollify a particular Group and its supporters. That is who and what the NFL now has shown itself to be.

That is eight years of a documented attitude by the NFL to America. Pass this post along to all your friends and family, if you believe it worthy of sharing. Honor our military; too many of whom have come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.
The NFL playing? Who cares! Won’t get dime from me.

Topspinmo 09-14-2020 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1832746)
So, people in the stands with a beer (and more toxic substances) in their hands , swaying and talking. Not standing at "attention" or anything that resembles it. , Not with their hands over their hearts, not removing their hats, ----- some respect. In fact I would offer that playing our National Anthem in such an atmosphere is disrespect.
I agree, no need to play national anthem at sporting events. They ARE NOT hero’s

rlcooper70 09-14-2020 09:56 AM
Clearly you are expressing your idea of an "agenda" .... and yet the point of the NFL was that wearing signs and advertising for causes and/or products is against league policy. Are you saying that they should change league policy and allow each athlete to advertise for whichever cause they choose? Think about it. Where does that philosophy lead?

Luisa 09-14-2020 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1832427)
Some Folks Have Come to Despise the NFL...
For fans who follow the sport, most of this will be a simple reminder of things you already know. For the rest, it's a wake-up call:

In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling before each game to pray, they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his eye-black to avoid glare, and made him take it off.

In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders.

In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.

In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure "eye black for breast cancer awareness.

In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (Not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem..).

In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty.

2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11.

So tell me again how the NFL supports free speech and expression. It seems quite clear based on these facts that the NFL has taken a position against any action by NFL players demonstrating RESPECT for any issue: For God, social causes such as mental health, cancer, domestic violence, for cops killed arbitrarily, for being cops, or for the Memory of 9/11...

BUT they will allow demonstrations of DISRESPECT for our National Flag, our National Anthem, for America, and for the American People, if it will help mollify a particular Group and its supporters. That is who and what the NFL now has shown itself to be.

That is eight years of a documented attitude by the NFL to America. Pass this post along to all your friends and family, if you believe it worthy of sharing. Honor our military; too many of whom have come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.
Excellent!

jamorela 09-14-2020 10:49 AM
... But I will be watching pro football this year, and every year. I like the sport.

Go Steelers.

Here we go, Steelers! Here we go!

jamorela 09-14-2020 10:51 AM
Go Steelers!!!

Here we go, Steelers!

charlieo1126@gmail.com 09-14-2020 10:57 AM
I can’t wait for the game to start tonight , for all others I guess there’s love island to watch . I’ll be in my Nike gear and eating and drinking whatever beer or pizza that the NFL is sponsoring and a big shoutout to Colin . You see I earned that right and have the Purple Hearts I got for it

Tennisbum 09-14-2020 11:28 AM
Those of us who can, actually played tennis and golf and had a great day. Enjoy your little bubble life!

La lamy 09-14-2020 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1832812)
I can’t wait for the game to start tonight , for all others I guess there’s love island to watch . I’ll be in my Nike gear and eating and drinking whatever beer or pizza that the NFL is sponsoring and a big shoutout to Colin . You see I earned that right and have the Purple Hearts I got for it
"Love Island to watch" LOL

dougaway 09-14-2020 11:44 AM
The NFL
 
This is my first post to the TOTV and it is about a subject that has irked me since it started with Colin Kaepernick. The part that always irked me the most was it was done during what I would call "work time" In all the years I worked I never worked anywhere that would allow me to "protest" while I was on the job and for the 31 years I spent in the military and as a government employ, that could never happen.
All that was needed would have been for the NFL or the player/players to pay for some time during the game like an advertisement and voice their solidarity or their opinion, not in defiance of the flag and the national anthem. Anyway I have not watched/supported an NFL anything and with the way their position is now I never will.
I could rant on and on, but I will save everyone that discomfort.
One last comment I will always stand for the American flag, I will always stand for the National Anthem, and lastly I will only kneel to my God.

Stu from NYC 09-14-2020 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1832812)
I can’t wait for the game to start tonight , for all others I guess there’s love island to watch . I’ll be in my Nike gear and eating and drinking whatever beer or pizza that the NFL is sponsoring and a big shoutout to Colin . You see I earned that right and have the Purple Hearts I got for it
I disagree with how you watch the game and such but you certainly have the right to do so.

And thank you for your service.

browndw1 09-14-2020 11:54 AM
Great idea. The protests do not belong on the field. The NFL used to have it right. Don’t allow any of it. If the players, coaches, or owners want to protest let them buy commercial time to protest.

Antique lady 09-14-2020 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1832427)
Some Folks Have Come to Despise the NFL...
For fans who follow the sport, most of this will be a simple reminder of things you already know. For the rest, it's a wake-up call:

In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling before each game to pray, they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his eye-black to avoid glare, and made him take it off.

In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders.

In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.

In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure "eye black for breast cancer awareness.

In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (Not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem..).

In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty.

2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11.

So tell me again how the NFL supports free speech and expression. It seems quite clear based on these facts that the NFL has taken a position against any action by NFL players demonstrating RESPECT for any issue: For God, social causes such as mental health, cancer, domestic violence, for cops killed arbitrarily, for being cops, or for the Memory of 9/11...

BUT they will allow demonstrations of DISRESPECT for our National Flag, our National Anthem, for America, and for the American People, if it will help mollify a particular Group and its supporters. That is who and what the NFL now has shown itself to be.

That is eight years of a documented attitude by the NFL to America. Pass this post along to all your friends and family, if you believe it worthy of sharing. Honor our military; too many of whom have come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.
I think this time the NFL granted permission to hold a moment of unity to demonstrate support for the players who look like the mainly unarmed people who are the majority of those being killed by law enforcement. Any one of the players of color, when not on the gridiron, could easily end up with a police officers knee on their neck or suffocated by a spit hood. Surely people understand the emotional toll it takes on the players, some of whom have had close encounters with law enforcement. Time to wake up the the reality that sadly not all citizens, even those who earn millions in pro sports, live unencumbered by biases... Love thy neighbor as thyself.....Please....

Dana1963 09-14-2020 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Smilingfeelsgood (Post 1832754)
As did the Phila Eagles and two others. I served over-seas during Vietnam so these "bleepers" could disrespect our flag.
Then you really didn’t understand why you enlisted preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States including freedom of speech and religion.

Dana1963 09-14-2020 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1832427)
Some Folks Have Come to Despise the NFL...
For fans who follow the sport, most of this will be a simple reminder of things you already know. For the rest, it's a wake-up call:

In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling before each game to pray, they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his eye-black to avoid glare, and made him take it off.

In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders.

In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.

In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure "eye black for breast cancer awareness.

In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (Not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem..).

In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty.

2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11.

So tell me again how the NFL supports free speech and expression. It seems quite clear based on these facts that the NFL has taken a position against any action by NFL players demonstrating RESPECT for any issue: For God, social causes such as mental health, cancer, domestic violence, for cops killed arbitrarily, for being cops, or for the Memory of 9/11...

BUT they will allow demonstrations of DISRESPECT for our National Flag, our National Anthem, for America, and for the American People, if it will help mollify a particular Group and its supporters. That is who and what the NFL now has shown itself to be.

That is eight years of a documented attitude by the NFL to America. Pass this post along to all your friends and family, if you believe it worthy of sharing. Honor our military; too many of whom have come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.
I would say you may have accepted protest from 2012 to 2016 would have been acceptable by player’s but in 2017 Colin appearance and saw what happened in the past acted not by destroying, burning or violence but first sat then kneeled. Sometimes you need to fight for what you believe in right or wrong.
If only Tebow fought for his principles in 2012 we might not be having this conversation.

Ramone 09-14-2020 02:18 PM
I agree, no more NFL for me.

bobnyce 09-14-2020 03:35 PM
I do not care what the NFL does! They are nothing but pure jerks including the players who denigrate our flag and national anthem all the while collecting their fat salaries for being great athletes - a gift from God! In my mind America was a gift from God to the people of the world. If it is as bad as all the critics say, why do we have so many foreigners, legal and illegal trying to get in while trying to escape where they came from? It is very similar to the those fleeing high taxes and bankrupt states to come to Florida so they can cause high taxes and demand services so they can bring their bankrupt ideology here! I give up where will it end and common sense prevail? I refuse to watch all professional sports except golf! My two cents.

eweissenbach 09-14-2020 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mrrmauu (Post 1832941)
Do you feel the same about the “peaceful” protesters outside the hospital in LA?
I support people’s first amendment rights to express their opinion as long as they do it peacefully and lawfully. I presume that is your stance as well.

mrrmauu 09-14-2020 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1832955)
I support people’s first amendment rights to express their opinion as long as they do it peacefully and lawfully. I presume that is your stance as well.
I’m with you 100% but I haven’t seen many peaceful and lawful protests lately. I wonder why it is so difficult for some folks, including those that want to run this country, to condemn the awful behavior we are seeing on a daily basis? Silence implies support.

Dana1963 09-14-2020 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1832953)
Thanks for your service and yes your opinion counts as all ours do. Food for thought; Please check out where and who makes your Nike Gear. They work in deplorable and brutal conditions for at best a few dollars an hour so Nike can pay millions to athletes that turn a blind eye. No Nike and Marxist endorsed BLM pro sports for me, but that’s just my opinion. I do endorse social justice reform, just not the organization’s polices and it’s acceptance of violence.
As does every manufacture making products in SE Asia.
Remember China didn’t take jobs from the US ALL CORPORATIONS WILLING WENT THERE FOR CHEAP LABOR.

jklfairwin 09-14-2020 07:10 PM
Sorry but you are wrong about current protests. No one is disrespecting the flag, the national antrhem or the American people. They are honoring all 3 by trying to make a better America.

mrrmauu 09-14-2020 07:30 PM
A lot of sports fans appear to be suffering from some version of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Art cov 09-14-2020 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mrrmauu (Post 1832959)
I’m with you 100% but I haven’t seen many peaceful and lawful protests lately. I wonder why it is so difficult for some folks, including those that want to run this country, to condemn the awful behavior we are seeing on a daily basis? Silence implies support.
We sure wouldn’t believe in the protests if they were in the villages! I noticed some mayors and officials were for the protest until the demonstrations were at their front doors

Jeremiah Riordan 09-14-2020 09:03 PM
Pledge of Allegiance
 
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Originally Posted by bobm3 (Post 1832612)
Kneeling is a greater sign of respect than standing. Let them kneel. I don't care. They're not hurting anyone. There are important things to worry about. I have allegiance to my country, not to a piece of cloth.
Re-read the words of the Pledge of Allegiance: "...to the flag, and to the nation for which it stands..." Standing is only acceptable way (if able) to show respect for the National Anthem. These are "important things."

eweissenbach 09-14-2020 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah Riordan (Post 1833004)
Re-read the words of the Pledge of Allegiance: "...to the flag, and to the nation for which it stands..." Standing is only acceptable way (if able) to show respect for the National Anthem. These are "important things."
That means the flag stands for the nation, not that the nation stands for the flag. Do you Get out of your recliner, put down your beer, and stand for the Anthem at home? I went to a sports bar to watch a playoff game last year and sat near two dudes as they guzzled beer and never quit talking, stood up, or removed their mAga caps during the National Anthem. But let a black man peacefully protest, NOT THE FLAG, but injustice, and the yokels lose their minds. :1rotfl:

camaguey48 09-15-2020 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TomJH72 (Post 1832585)
Time to stand for something - not complacency.
Maybe try our National Anthem.

Players actions are misguided - obviously didn't learn common sense in college.
You don't learn common sense in college when your major is football.

fgsJr 09-15-2020 05:16 AM
It’s just a game folks, why do we have to politicize everything??? I enjoy the diversion and force myself to ignore all the BS. I like football period, everything else is just background noise!!! So I just sit back, enjoy the modern day gladiators and laugh. Life is too short to take everything so seriously...

Dgizzi 09-15-2020 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 1832481)
We are watching the NFL today and will continue to. Much more exciting then golf or tennis.
Why? Can’t you find something else to do on a Sunday than watch football? Or any sport?

JSR22 09-15-2020 06:43 AM
Reason
 
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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1833033)
Why? Can’t you find something else to do on a Sunday than watch football? Or any sport?
We like to watch football and will continue to watch football. I can do whatever I want in my home.


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