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Derek Chauvin Held at Oak Park Heights Prison: What We Know

I represented a man in Oak Park Heights or helped with it while a student lawyer with Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners back in Spring of 1989. Most of the people though I had were connected with Minnesota Correctional Facility-Stillwater. In 1989 they were well run prisons with very little in the way of disturbances. Stillwater had a barber shop and probably the oldest prisoner run newspaper in the US if not the world--The Prison Mirror. It was founded by the Younger brothers who had gotten shot up with their other cohorts in the Northfield MN bank robbery. The Prison Mirror | Minnesota Historical Society.

[tvbound]

There sure seems to be a lot of people who are upset, that a bad white cop (with at least 18 previous complaints and only 1 disciplinary action) didn't get away with murdering an unarmed black person - again. With the sentencing still to come, we'll see if the judge has tipped his hand with his comments about Water's statement - on whether he's one of them.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by blueash

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I think the cop was over bearing somewhat but not out of control.
The Chief of Police of his own city thought he was guilty of murder. The medical examiner said murder. Chauvin absolutely was totally in control of his actions as he killed George Floyd.

The victim resisted arrest, he did not die at the scene, he was taken into custody.
He stopped resisting very quickly once he was on the ground. The video and the testimony are absolutely clear on that question. I watched the testimony. He was dead for several minutes on the street under Chauvin's knee and body, several minutes and Chauvin never got off. He 100% did die at the scene, not in your alternate universe opinion that he died elsewhere.

Cops have to deal with scumbags every day (white and black, just in case you think it's racist) and trained to use force appropriately.

His own Chief of Police testified that the use of force was not appropriate. The manual and continuing training said that force was not appropriate. You don't change the truth by not believing it, but you are wrong according to the experts from his own department

The victim was shouting I can't breath, yet he was shouting?
Did you listen to the testimony explaining the mechanics of breathing and how speaking is not evidence that the person is not having real and severe compromise of their respiratory system? Or do you ignore evidence if it doesn't fit your narrative?

He was full of serious drugs, an accident waiting to happen. Who'd want to be a cop today? I'm sorry the scumbag died in custody from his misuse of drugs,
Again you make up your own story which is not what the coroner nor the pulmonologists said when they testified. Yes he took drugs. No they did not cause his death. He was killed by the cop. So said both coroners. Did the drugs perhaps play a role in making it easier to kill him, maybe but that is not in evidence. The evidence is a man on drugs was killed by the excessive use of force being place on the street in a prone position with his hands cuffed behind him and a knee pressing on the back of the neck with weight interfering with the ability to inhale and hypopharyngeal collapse.
He did not die of a drug overdose. That was the evidence. The jury heard it. The world heard it. Apparently you were not listening.

I really am but to make this whole thing about race, then to loot, destroy property, to demand defunding the police...is everyone out of their minds? Please do not let American values get detroyed.

I don't understand. If this is not about race why are you mentioning looting and defunding? Those are apparently race linked in your mind. Do you even understand what is meant by defunding? I doubt it. It was a poor word choice for a very good idea.

"He was killed by the cop. So said both coroners."


Excellent post. Trying to say differently and believing those alternative facts, are rife on certain media platforms and from certain demographics.

[Love2Swim]

What really resonated was how many fellow officers testified against him. That tells you something.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

If Floyd was white, he wouldn't have been killed by a white police officer.

i don't know how much of that is true. it could've been anyone of us under that cop's knee, that he felt 'deserved' such extreme treatment. no excuse for what took place

[Fredman]

Originally Posted by noelphyl

If Floyd were White he’d still be alive.

Conjecture on your part

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by tvbound

There sure seems to be a lot of people who are upset, that a bad white cop (with at least 18 previous complaints and only 1 disciplinary action) didn't get away with murdering an unarmed black person - again. With the sentencing still to come, we'll see if the judge has tipped his hand with his comments about Water's statement - on whether he's one of them.

So... where's your outrage with the Administration that allowed such a "bad white cop" to continue serving until the time he murdered an unarmed black person - again? Is there no culpability for "bad white cop's" leader? You know, the one who ultimately threw the "bad white cop" under the bus to save his own slimy self. No ulterior motive there, eh?

Did it occur to you that perhaps the "bad white cop" had only 1 disciplinary action on his record because the other 17 complaints were found unjustifiable/unverifiable? Because no one is ever angry with their arresting officer, or lies when caught in a crime, right? And if that's not the case, then "the bad white cop's" leader is responsible for his own lack of action in removing that "bad white cop" from the street. Right? But we've heard NOT a whisper of the leadership failing its responsibilities.

The media directed this show. They told you what they wanted you to know e.g. 18 prior complaints exist but not the findings of those complaints? They told you his own chief said he was guilty, but never pursued why the chief allowed DC to stay with the PD despite so many complaints. The media made this entire event about white cop v black man. Never once during the trial was race mentioned. So was it really about white v black? Or did the media get a big one over on you?

DC was a sacrificial lamb, found guilty of murder to appease the mob, to keep the cities from burning. And it literally makes me feel sick. I don't believe DC murdered GF, he contributed to the death but he didn't cause it. And it certainly wasn't murder. Saying DC "murdered" is as ludicrous as saying GF committed suicide bc he did not address his health (90% occlusion of a coronary artery is def significant), and pumping lethal doses of fentanyl, coupled w methamphetamines into his body. Tic tic tic it was only a matter of time and he'd have died by his own actions/inactions. That's my humble opinion, and I hold it strongly.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by noelphyl

If Floyd were White he’d still be alive.

If Floyd was white you would never know, because it wouldn’t have made the national news...

[Boffin]

The judge overseeing former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin's trial in the death of George Floyd said Monday that Rep. Maxine Waters' comments could be grounds for appealing a verdict.

"I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned," Judge Peter Cahill told defense attorney Eric Nelson on Monday.

“We've got to stay in the street and demand justice," Waters said to reporters.

"We're looking for a guilty verdict and we're looking to see if all of the talk that took place and has been taking place after they saw what happened to George Floyd. If nothing does not happen, then we know that we got to not only stay in the street, but we have got to fight for justice," she added.

[Boffin]

Then and now?

[fpmoravcik]

Maybe the cops should sit in their cars and drink coffee. That way the bad guy won't get hurt. When you need help, call your councilman instead of the police. They can send someone down to talk to the thug who has a gun in your face.

[Bay Kid]

There are some police that may be bad, but it is very sad when the crook/druggie is the hero.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

There are some police that may be bad, but it is very sad when the crook/druggie is the hero.

It's a very difficult job. They need to be paid more and vetted more thoroughly.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

If Floyd was white, he wouldn't have been killed by a white police officer.

Tony Timpa, who called police for help, was white. Do you feel the same about him? One of the officers was black, per video.

[Lindsyburnsy]

The jury was sequestered as soon as the Prosecutors/Defense rested their cases. They did not see or hear the politician that the Judge admonished. The Judge overstepped his boundaries when he told the Defense they had a probable case for appeal. Totally inappropriate and uncalled for.