I don't know about you but this thread has given me an amazing number of posters to add to my ignore list!

I find it amazing how much money towns and cities pay people who probably earn minimum wage. I had an apartment building and one night a drunken friend who was visiting one of the tenants was sitting on the railing in front of the apartment and fell off it and hit his head. He was earning $8.00 an hour and did not lose one hours time from work. He sued me and the insurance company paid him over $200,000.00. You wonder how the insurance companies and cities come up with these astronomical figures. I think including "Go Fund Me" Floyd's family and friends received over $40,000,000. Just saying, is that fair. People are dying from Covid and no one is getting a dime from China. Why????

Murder = knowingly,intentionally without legal justification cause the death of another person.. he did all those things?

I would have done the job I took an oath to do. Period. And from my perspective, the jury did just that.

Odd ... when I watch a video of someone being killed and then hear that the jury deliberated for too short a time ... I find myself wondering .... "should I believe the story told by the defense or my own eyes?" Easy answer.

Fox News must be hitting hard on the jury being a bunch of weak willed people who were so intimidated by potential riots that they totally ignored the oath they took when they were sworn in, that they ignored all the evidence that Chauvin was really innocent, that they by a 12 to 0 vote in just a few hours unanimously agreed to falsely convict him without even one true patriot holding out for a hung jury. Every juror was interviewed before being allowed to sit for this trial. There were eight whites on the jury, all 8 of which agreed with the jury verdicts on all three charges.

Yet on this very website we have people spouting nonsense about how Chauvin was innocent. What convicted Chauvin was his own brutality, his murder of G. Floyd, and most importantly that he was video taped doing it. No opportunity to lie his way out of it. The earlier post calling Black people animals has now been removed. But racism is huge on this website and in this country. If you don't believe that cops just might let Whites get away with ignoring their orders, and threatening to kill the cop, and picking up a gun sitting on the car seat and fleeing all without being tased or shot

You suspect and know in your heart this would have gone differently if that driver were Black.

This was sort of the reverse of the OJ trial...

Do yourself a favor and research Tony Timpa...

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ALREADY STARTED. NEXT is in the news. Get your plane ticket Benjamin Crump and activists...

Columbus, Ohio, police release bodycam footage of officer fatally shooting Black teen

Columbus police shooting: Bodycam footage released as protests develop
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The appeal will show final decision!

I know about Timpa, you have mentioned his case many many times. For those that don't know, in Texas about 5 years ago the cops were called by the victim himself asking for help. They arrived to a situation where a severely disturbed schizophrenic white man was encountered. He was already cuffed and prone on the grass by store security. The cops restrained him on the ground for several minutes mocking him and making jokes about his mental illness of which they were very aware. He stopped breathing and died, with cocaine in his system.

The cops were indicted by the grand jury but the local prosecutor refused to go to trial when the coroner refused to state that the cause of death was the police action. Maybe this is one example you can continue to cite, but it is not the same, and has nothing to do with OJ. I will concede that in the chart of persons that cops are likely to abuse people with severe mental health problems are right up there with Black people. This is why there is a push by many to have some police actions be taken over by mental health experts with cops only as back up. If a social worker had been dispatched to Mr Timba he would almost certainly be alive.

Not to stir the pot, but question why it’s OK for blacks to continually keep killing each other... also when police question someone, black or white, resistant shouldn’t be an option when a crime has been committed. Most publicized cases have been noted that a crime was committed... should they just go unnoticed?

And the only reason you know about Tony Timpa is because I have cited his case. But you would have to be living under a rock not to have heard about Floyd. The difference - is black & white...

My meaning was even police are responsible for their actions. No one is above law

The lawsuit was dismissed on a very controversial decision on a IMO terrible legal basis of qualified immunity. And the situation is different. In Floyd's case the government admitted that its cop killed the victim thus it was at fault for the death. In Tony's case the government is not accepting legal responsibility for his death and declined to prosecute the cops.

You don't think Black people see the White establishment as their oppressors?

"The earlier post calling Black people animals has now been removed. But racism is huge on this website and in this country."

I have mixed feelings on that removed post. While I applaud management for addressing such a racist statement, I also believe that if it had stood, more people might have gained a clue as to how so many claimed law enforcement officers - actually think.

As to whether this case may make LEO's pause and examine their own prejudices and bias' before taking action in the future, in the long run that will be a good thing IMHO.

Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the sentencing hasn't occurred yet, however. Did the judge tip his own bias, when he commented on Water's statement? We'll soon see if complete justice will happen.

There is no doubt that this was trial by media, who were not in the Jury Box.
Not defending the Cop, but the media held him guilty from the start.
Floyd didn't need to die, but he was no 'Choir Boy' that is being put on forth as a hero.
He was a criminal, and broke the law many times.
His family so far has gotten $27 Mil. in a payment from MSP. and over $20 Mil. in go-fund-me.
Like it or not the Media is destroying democracy by dictating what they want to report,
not what the actual facts are.
This is not political, just the reality of what is taking place.

I agree that no one should be above the law. History has shown however, that's not really the case.

Chauvin judgment
 

Of course, it was the right decision = 9.29 minute video. Everrything else is irrelevant, appropriate or not, jury sequestered or not.

No one ever in this history of race relations ever said it's "OK for blacks to kill each other. " Well, I'm wrong. I have heard racists say it is great that they kill each other.

No one has every said that cops should not do their job to protect and serve. The issue is whether the cops do it wrong, and for the wrong reasons. You certainly have never heard of cops planting drugs, or even dropping a gun at a scene These are both well known techniques. And cops certainly always tell the truth about what happened in their reports and on the stand. Have you heard the term "testilying"

Cameras are now documenting what POC have been saying. Read this story of cops being brutal and lying about it, of course regarding a Black man

Cops are not paragons of virtue, nor is that true of any field. There are great cops, ok cops, and sadly terrible cops, racist cops, abusive cops, power hungry cops, etc. And the good ones certainly outnumber the bad ones.

What happens when a cop complains up the chain that one of the other cops is a bad cop? Do you honestly believe that making a complaint like that is good for the complaining cop? Does the police union protect bad cops?

If the Black experience in this country is that they are targeted by cops, I believe them. Every study has shown there are more stops of Blacks while driving. Marijuana arrests are overwhelming higher in Black people than white even though whites use at a higher rate than Blacks. Selective policing at its worst. That a Black man stopped by a cop is in fear that he is not going to be treated fairly is based on reality. When reaching for your ID as ordered by the cop gets you killed as the cop says he thought you were reaching for a gun and the cop gets away with it, you might fear for your life in a routine traffic stop for a broken tail light.

The problem with the few bad apples in the barrel is that it spoils the whole barrel.

Are there justified shootings, of course. One in Columbus Ohio yesterday. Amazingly the police released the video within a couple hours of the shooting. Proves it can be done, release video right away when it shows the cop was justified. Makes me wonder about those cases where it takes months to get the video released.

Chauvin is a bad apple. His rot is going to take down a couple more cops who had the misfortune to be assigned with him and who were afraid to do what they should have done.. stopped a murder, because they knew what was expected of a rookie cop, defend the blue line. Wrong, they should have defended the public and the life of George Floyd.

My feeling is that it will be appealed because there was no way he could get a fair trial by not moving the trial OUT of the city. Can you imagine being on that jury knowing that sooner or later your name is going to be released to the public and that everyone will know where you live. If you would give any kind of a not guilty verdict, you and your home would be burned to the ground and you would feel the wrath of a group of people who expect to continually get their way when one of them gets killed. They don't take into account that the guy was trying to pass a fake $20 bill, that he was drunk and high on drugs and driving, that he was resisting arrest and he had a mile long record of crimes and prison time. Granted that doesn't make Floyd automatically guilty but pas behavior is a sign of future behavior - normally.

If people who have criminal backgrounds would quit resisting the police, we wouldn't be having these problems, regardless of their skin color. Why don't the black people get outraged when they kill their own? More white people are killed by police than black people. That's a fact but where is the outrage?

The judge was out of line and prejudicial.

The percent of blacks abused and killed by police is much higher than the percent of whites. Passing a counterfeit 20 does not deserve guns pulled and an execution. Policing today is equivalent to treating the citizens like enemy combatants instead helping a variety of people with multidimensional problems. You give some cops a gun and they have to show how big they are. I have law enforcement in my family and they are disgusted with the police of today. I cared for the mentally ill and drug abusers for decades and putting them in jail or under a knee until they die is not the way to do it. EVERYONE has a right to question why the cops are arresting them and every black and brown person in this country has a right to fear going anywhere with the police.

Everything you said is accurate but there's one thing to miss. Not once during this trial as much as I watched it was there a single mention of race involved. As it should be chauvin didn't kill this guy because he was black I was never brought up it was never talked about it was never witnessed. But now that's all it is is this the race war is one it's not this we still have an issue not near to the extent that people say it is but there still is a race issue in this country that needs to be dealt with it's not systemic racist but it's there Sooner or later we have to start dealing with the fact that we're not building tribes here thank you Al sharpton, it's not black against white It should never be that

Yep, body cams are good:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wpde.co...hows-otherwise

Going back to the chance of an appeal per the thread's origin this is an interesting article.

Few options seen for Chauvin appeal - POLITICO

Don't think every person that police shoot, the family gets 27 million. Is that going to be the *going rate*?

If they shoot someone who is a law abiding citizen apparently your life is worth less.

That IS thinly disguised (conscious or subconscious) animosity toward certain groups. Those that benefitted from US society should show empathy to the less successful.

Animosity towards "rioters and looters"............I think that's perfectly justified.

And what do you mean by "the less successful"........sounds a little prejudicial if you ask me

Just who is the "oppressor" and the "oppressed" today?

Elliot Spitzer and Bernie Madoff!

So we should allow the rioters and looters to do as they wish?

So are you saying you're prepared for he consequences it leads to? That comparison is entirely different. A bit ridiculous to be fair.
As for the trial we all have a view and whatever that is it should be respected. Biden made comments that guarantee an appeal - were they deliberate for that purpose? I think the cop was over bearing somewhat but not out of control. The victim resisted arrest, he did not die at the scene, he was taken into custody. Cops have to deal with scumbags every day (white and black, just in case you think it's racist) and trained to use force appropriately. The victim was shouting I can't breath, yet he was shouting? He was full of serious drugs, an accident waiting to happen. Who'd want to be a cop today? I'm sorry the scumbag died in custody from his misuse of drugs, I really am but to make this whole thing about race, then to loot, destroy property, to demand defunding the police...is everyone out of their minds? Please do not let American values get detroyed.

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I think the cop was over bearing somewhat but not out of control.
The Chief of Police of his own city thought he was guilty of murder. The medical examiner said murder. Chauvin absolutely was totally in control of his actions as he killed George Floyd.

The victim resisted arrest, he did not die at the scene, he was taken into custody.
He stopped resisting very quickly once he was on the ground. The video and the testimony are absolutely clear on that question. I watched the testimony. He was dead for several minutes on the street under Chauvin's knee and body, several minutes and Chauvin never got off. He 100% did die at the scene, not in your alternate universe opinion that he died elsewhere.

Cops have to deal with scumbags every day (white and black, just in case you think it's racist) and trained to use force appropriately.

His own Chief of Police testified that the use of force was not appropriate. The manual and continuing training said that force was not appropriate. You don't change the truth by not believing it, but you are wrong according to the experts from his own department

The victim was shouting I can't breath, yet he was shouting?
Did you listen to the testimony explaining the mechanics of breathing and how speaking is not evidence that the person is not having real and severe compromise of their respiratory system? Or do you ignore evidence if it doesn't fit your narrative?

He was full of serious drugs, an accident waiting to happen. Who'd want to be a cop today? I'm sorry the scumbag died in custody from his misuse of drugs,
Again you make up your own story which is not what the coroner nor the pulmonologists said when they testified. Yes he took drugs. No they did not cause his death. He was killed by the cop. So said both coroners. Did the drugs perhaps play a role in making it easier to kill him, maybe but that is not in evidence. The evidence is a man on drugs was killed by the excessive use of force being place on the street in a prone position with his hands cuffed behind him and a knee pressing on the back of the neck with weight interfering with the ability to inhale and hypopharyngeal collapse.
He did not die of a drug overdose. That was the evidence. The jury heard it. The world heard it. Apparently you were not listening.

I really am but to make this whole thing about race, then to loot, destroy property, to demand defunding the police...is everyone out of their minds? Please do not let American values get detroyed.

I don't understand. If this is not about race why are you mentioning looting and defunding? Those are apparently race linked in your mind. Do you even understand what is meant by defunding? I doubt it. It was a poor word choice for a very good idea.

All laws should be enforced equally. The US is the most incarcerated country of the 1st world countries. Stusy other countries judicial system - see what works. Adapt!

And all that made the national news for one reason. Floyd was black and the cop was white. That is what you fail to understand. I brought up the Tony Timpa case to show the media bias. If Floyd was white the national news media would never have even picked up the story. Can’t you see that?!?!?

Does that make the facts not true?

Were you on the jury?

The national news media covered the Floyd case 24/7. The outcome of that trial was predetermined by the national news media. Tony Timpa - same circumstances, no national news coverage. Tony was white, the charges were dismissed...
Those are the facts...