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OrangeBlossomBaby 01-04-2024 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Hamister (Post 2287954)
I believe that it has always been a violation of federal law to refuse to accept cash to pay a bill. As otherwise noted in this thread check your cash bills and note the statement “This note is legal tender for all debts public and private”

Yup, it's true. If you owe money, you can use cash to pay the debt.

You don't owe a store money if you haven't already purchased the product. There's no debt, at the point of purchase. Now, if you buy something and consume it before you pay for it, then you owe a debt, and can use cash to pay that debt. But putting a can of beans on a conveyor belt and a cashier scanning it into the system doesn't mean you owe them a debt. If you don't pay however they say you should pay, then they simply void the sale, and there is no debt owed.

CoachKandSportsguy 01-05-2024 06:14 AM

Looking at the risk profile:

Physical currency has physical risks, which are primarily local in nature. Risks are on the vendor and the consumer for physical theft prevention, including physical transport from vendor to bank and vice versa.

Digital currency has digital risks, which are unlimited in geography, meaning risk is now worldwide, and physical, need BOTH electricity AND an internet connection. Digital currency also needs a better help desk as banks aren't the only source of transactions. Also, digital means that the risk of internal employee theft still exists, eliminating human access will always be impossible. And the physical risk now is transferred to data centers and data back up locations being kept safe.

There are costs associated with each one: with physical currency, you bear the cost. with a digital currency, you the consumer and you the vendor do not bear the risk, but pay for the risk. But whomever controls the system controls the cost and the access, and since the system is controlled by humans with computers, not just computers by them selves, users of digital currency has given up local control to many, many more interested parties. . .

The best answer is still both, but the complete conversion to digital would also render most of the dollars in the underground trades EITHER worthless or very valuable to continue with the drug trade outside of any tracking. . . depending upon your view point

there is no free lunch, and the best option is for both currencies, so that you get to keep your freedom of choice.
Sweden is small country, lots of processes work well in small quantities, but doesn't scale well, ie has limits to how far it can scale. . digital currency just might be one of them for the US currency.

Sandy and Ed 01-05-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2287751)
Cashless is the way to go.

And when someone at the top decides to cancel your account or deletes your funds……….and you have no paper currency?. Let that sink in.

Remembergoldenrule 01-05-2024 07:11 AM

I think the push for this legislation is that 24% of American adults do not qualify for credit cards and don’t have minimum needed in banks for debit card. That doesn’t include those under 18 that are working odd jobs who are too young to get cards. Those of us living here sometimes forget those who “haven’t made it.” or are not as fortunate as us. Some may be because of their own doing, but others because of life situations they have no control over.

defrey12 01-05-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 2287771)
You got that right. I feel bad for them.

Amen…

defrey12 01-05-2024 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2287781)
Convenience, efficiency and safety is what's behind it. Not some sinister government conspiracy. Most of the world is going cashless since it's antiquated to use cash for everything other than private transactions or flea markets when it's easier and more secure to just tap a card.

If someone steals credit cards you can cancel them within minutes. If someone steals your cash, you don't have much recourse.

You don’t get it…it’s not about what you can do. It’s about what THEY can do.

defrey12 01-05-2024 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2287815)
Again - fossil fuel (oil) is finite. The planet only has so much of it. Once we use it up, it's gone until the next ice age.

No, it’s not. Need to brush up on your basic science. As long as organic matter continues to die and decompose—trees, animals, US—there will be the so-called fossil fuels. This is the process by which they form. And since we’re millions of years behind in exploration and extraction, there’s not much danger in running out.

Bay Kid 01-05-2024 08:44 AM

Let's hope NOT for the safety of our privacy.

bp243 01-05-2024 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2287781)
Convenience, efficiency and safety is what's behind it. Not some sinister government conspiracy. Most of the world is going cashless since it's antiquated to use cash for everything other than private transactions or flea markets when it's easier and more secure to just tap a card.

If someone steals credit cards you can cancel them within minutes. If someone steals your cash, you don't have much recourse.

Absolutely agree! Plus, it suggests that there’s some oversight on reported business income.

bp243 01-05-2024 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2287803)
I would have just walked out.

It’s going to come eventually by feds, That way every penny can be tracked.

Why shouldn’t every business be tracked like you’re tracked for your reported income?

donfey 01-05-2024 08:52 AM

Cashless only?
 
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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2287751)
Cashless is the way to go.

Then YOU go cashless. And, if the retailer opts to add the 3% premium he has to pay the credit/ATM card company, will you agree? Or will you whine about it?

retiredguy123 01-05-2024 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bp243 (Post 2288126)
Absolutely agree! Plus, it suggests that there’s some oversight on reported business income.

Banks are required to report credit card transactions from most businesses (based on total annual amount) to the IRS. So, the IRS can compare the income a business reported to their credit card income.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-05-2024 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by donfey (Post 2288137)
Then YOU go cashless. And, if the retailer opts to add the 3% premium he has to pay the credit/ATM card company, will you agree? Or will you whine about it?

That's a logical fallacy. If the country truly goes "cashless" then retailers will simply raise their prices by whatever the credit card companies charge for transactions, plus an additional percentage to maintain the profit margin. EVERYONE ends up paying extra, because no one is paying cash - in a cashless society.

NoMoSno 01-05-2024 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2288150)
That's a logical fallacy. If the country truly goes "cashless" then retailers will simply raise their prices by whatever the credit card companies charge for transactions, plus an additional percentage to maintain the profit margin. EVERYONE ends up paying extra, because no one is paying cash - in a cashless society.

So EVERYONE will be forced to pay about 4% plus taxes just to spend their money.

Topspinmo 01-05-2024 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2288176)
So EVERYONE will be forced to pay about 4% plus taxes just to spend their money.


When time get tuff and they will like we’ve never seen it, when that happens really not our money:oops: we didn’t build that:sing:


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