[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Haggar

I'm missing something. The 2nd amendment has been quoted as allowing anyone to carry a concealed weapon. Did the requirement to get a permit prohibit anyone to carry a weapon? The new law eliminates the paperwork. In what cases were permits denied?
Mentally impaired? People with prior violent criminal records? Wasn't that a good thing? Is the gun you are allowed to carry now one you own or can you legally carry a friend's/relative's weapon? I would think that permitting was a reasonable way to prohibit non criminals who were dangerous to either themselves or others to not be allowed to carry a weapon. Where is my logic wrong?

To clarify, the concealed carry permit is issued to a person and it allows that person to carry a concealed firearm. It has nothing to do with a specific weapon. Neither Florida nor the Federal Government maintain a register of firearm ownership.

[scooterstang]

The only Scary part is for the ******* that he or she is going to steal from me or harm my family!! By the way I have carried the last 10 years.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Well, it was inevitable that The-Sky-Is-Falling folks were going to be weighing in today. It is, after all, the first day of Armageddon. Bodies in the streets. The Childerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn in even more mortal danger than they were on June 30. October 26, 1881 Tombstone, AZ will be remembered as an idyllic oasis compared to what Florida in general, and The Villages in particular, will become.

Except that we've heard it all before.

What will happen?

Nothing.

Guess there will be a lot of folks from those 2d amendment hating northern states that will be moving back home??? (Wishful thinking?)

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Oh, but, I beg to differ — from experience — once having had to disarm a couple of friends who had too much to drink at a party at our house……..

They were off-duty cops. Most certainly law-abiding, and they were not mad at anybody — yet. Mr. Boomer did the disarming — in a charming, disarming way…..

No problem getting their guns — although they were a bit miffed when they sobered up, said they would never have used them — probably right, but not worth taking the chance.

Next morning, we gave them breakfast (no-hair-of-the dog though) — and gave them back their guns and their car keys. (Mr. Boomer had taken those, too.)

It was one helluva party. (a very long time ago) But, at least, we were responsible hosts, even in our much younger days, sort of.

Boomer

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Oh So Wrong.................If in Florida, and in most other states........it is against the law to be carrying and under the influence. They were not and are not law-abiding.

Florida law 790.151 prohibits carrying a firearm while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage.

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Just read, it's a Federal Law that officers can not drink and carry their gun.
Have not found the HR reference, but it sounds like they are criminal dirt-bags, not law-abiding.

Geez. What have we here, this morning?

All I did was tell a little story from the 1970s. And now those cops (who are still carrying, and living in a retirement community in the South) are being called dirt-bags. Even had chapter and verse Fed law looked up to quote at me….wow

It was the 1970s. It was a little story. But, hey, it looks like it even turned out to have a point……

Ya know — like now — in this weird world of 2023 — hosting a big party could mean assuming that anybody and everybody could be armed…..

But, we all know that nobody ever drinks too much.

And nobody ever over-reacts on the subject of guns.

I don’t care if responsible people carry……

What I do care about is the potential for angry guys to take something totally out of context and react in a hair-trigger way.

I was not going to engage in this one. But I just had to defend my little story. (sigh) This is a microcosm of what is happening to us……The art of conversation can no longer be taken for granted. We now often have to approach even in-person discussions like walking on eggs — or like a minefield. Too many people are too easy to set off.

Boomer

I really need to stop looking at these threads.

[maistocars]

Yikes! What channel are you seeing this scary stuff? Maybe you meant constitutional carry with no permit versus the first step, which is a gun permit that has all the requirements one would ever need to give you that warm and cozy?

[Heytubes]

As a former LEO, whenever I approached a vehicle for even a minor infraction, I always had my hand on my gun. At night, I had it un-hosted and low on my side so the citizen couldn’t see it. Lost several friends who were murdered or wounded by lack of caution. I’m 100% in favor of gun control by using both hands in a stressful encounter.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by mraines

This, combined with Florida's stand your ground law make Florida a dangerous place.

Apparently, you did not read the entire thread before you posted.

[bimmertl]

Florida is a really scary place when you add in to the equation, the termite infestation plague, lightning strikes burning down houses, golf cart wrecks, and food poisoning at Culvers .


YIKES!

[Bogie Shooter]

Looking forward to the open carry law passage discussion.

[rjm1cc]

The basic question is how should law abiding people be able to protect themselves in their home , going to work, shopping, etc. My assumption is that some of us do not follow the rules and the law abiding citizen is at an increase risk do to that.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Florida is a really scary place when you add in to the equation, the termite infestation plague, lightning strikes burning down houses, golf cart wrecks, and food poisoning at Culvers .

YIKES!

Forgot dog poop.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by coconutmama

Amen to that.

One can abide by the 2nd amendment but still should have to take a course, and hopefully have no criminal or mental health issues. We are supposed to have a license to drive a car but don’t need one for a gun? Does a license stop all bad drivers? Of course not. But it has to help.

Additionally, look at all the anger, fear & hate in society now. People being shot because they turn in a driveway or came to a door. It isn’t the bad guy I will encounter on a daily basis, it is the uneducated fearful good citizen.

Then there is the gun with no safety lock that gets found in grandma’s nightstand when the grandkids visit…

Apples and oranges. Driving a car is a privilege.

The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutionally-guaranteed right.

[sloanst]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

Very scary new law. Gun permits are no longer required in Florida. There is still a waiting period to purchase a handgun if you don't have a CCW. Got to be a nightmare for Law Enforcement. Every person they stop is a potential shooter.

When in comes to possession and carrying a gun, the criminals never cared about the law. Laws restrict the law-abiding only. Criminals don't have a waiting period because they either steal a weapon or buy one on the black market. I have never understood that some people think that more freedom for law-abiding citizens results in more danger for the public. Actually, it results in more safety for law-abiding people because the criminals are much more afraid of confronting an armed person. That's a good thing.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by OETTING

These are the 20 states with the highest firearm homicide rates in the country along with their gun-friendliness scores:

Louisiana: 11.0 (3)
Mississippi: 10.2 (5)
Alabama: 9.5 (4)
Missouri: 8.5 (5)
Maryland: 7.4 (1)
South Carolina: 7.4 (3)
Tennessee: 6.7 (4)
Illinois: 6.5 (2)
Arkansas: 6.2 (3)
Georgia: 6.2 (4)
Alaska: 6.0 (5)
New Mexico: 5.7 (4)
Oklahoma: 5.7 (4)
Indiana: 5.3 (4)
Delaware: 5.1 (2)
North Carolina: 5.0 (4)
Nevada: 4.8 (3)
Ohio: 4.8 (4)
Kentucky: 4.7 (4)
Florida: 4.6 (4)

We don't live in "Florida". We live in a place called "The Villages, Florida".

It is a lazy analysis to take a large diverse piece of land with invented borders and try to prove such a point as this. The Villages is quite safe. Jacksonville? Miami Gardens? Not so much. Peoria, IL? Lots of gun violence. Naperville, IL? Not so much.

Gun violence has much more to do with the people in the community and their respect for the law and law enforcement than anything else.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by coconutmama

Amen to that.

One can abide by the 2nd amendment but still should have to take a course, and hopefully have no criminal or mental health issues. We are supposed to have a license to drive a car but don’t need one for a gun? Does a license stop all bad drivers? Of course not. But it has to help.

Additionally, look at all the anger, fear & hate in society now. People being shot because they turn in a driveway or came to a door. It isn’t the bad guy I will encounter on a daily basis, it is the uneducated fearful good citizen.

Then there is the gun with no safety lock that gets found in grandma’s nightstand when the grandkids visit…

You are much more likely to be killed or injured by a licensed inattentive or drunk driver than you are an unlicensed law abiding citizen legally carrying a concealed weapon. Maybe that's what you should be worried about?