[juddfl]

The new law allows anyone who can legally own a gun in Florida to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. If you pass the requirements to own, it just allows you to be able to take your legal firearm outside your home. You've already been approved to own the gun.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm not worried about the Bad Guy who ignored the law anyway. The people I'm worried about are the ones who own guns but were denied carry permits, the ones who own guns but didn't apply for the permit because they believed they would be denied, and the ones who didn't own guns but will now because the new law paired with old rhetoric makes it fashionable to carry. Some number of those people may be carrying now.

The Bad Guy with the gun has been there all my life. The Good Guy who is now carrying but doesn't have a clue how to react in a bad situation is what will worry me going forward.

If a person was denied a carry permit, they cannot legally own or possess a firearm. A person has to meet the same criteria for the permit that is required to purchase or own a gun. If they were denied a permit and possess a gun they are committing a felony. Just because a permit is not needed now, that doesn't mean a prohibited person can legally carry without a permit. What is so hard to understand about that?

If a person believes they will be denied a permit and possess a gun they also might be committing a felony. Should a person who thinks they might be denied a carry permit and is investigated by law enforcement and it is proven they cannot own a firearm, they will be prosecuted.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

To clarify, the concealed carry permit is issued to a person and it allows that person to carry a concealed firearm. It has nothing to do with a specific weapon. Neither Florida nor the Federal Government maintain a register of firearm ownership.

That you know of.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

If a person was denied a carry permit, they cannot legally own or possess a firearm. A person has to meet the same criteria for the permit that is required to purchase or own a gun. If they were denied a permit and possess a gun they are committing a felony. Just because a permit is not needed now, that doesn't mean a prohibited person can legally carry without a permit. What is so hard to understand about that?

If a person believes they will be denied a permit and possess a gun they also might be committing a felony. Should a person who thinks they might be denied a carry permit and is investigated by law enforcement and it is proven they cannot own a firearm, they will be prosecuted.

If that was the case then there would have been little to no need for the permit application. The process could have been to acquire the weapon and then rubber stamp the permit. But that wasn’t the process.

The requirements for each were slightly different according to what can be found online. Perhaps in practice they were the same but online they have slight differences.

A prohibited person cannot legally purchase a weapon. A person who legally possessed was not automatically granted a carry permit two days ago, all that changed yesterday. Not sure why you cannot understand that.

Another way to look at it… If there was nothing additional required to qualify for a permit then why not issue the permit with the weapon today? Reciprocity with other states requires a permit. Not requiring a permit in FL puts citizens at risk of forgetting when they travel out of state. Why do that? Why not just issue the permit automatically? If there is a reason to NOT do that then there is some significant difference, at least to the state of FL.

[cjrjck]

As a retired LEO, I can tell you that an officer approaches every situation assuming the person they are confronting is armed. The new law doesn't change anything. Those that want to do harm are no less or more likely to do so now. A permit meant nothing to them.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

As a retire LEO, I can tell you that an officer approaches every situation assuming the person they are confronting is armed. The new law doesn't change anything. Those that want to do harm are no less or more likely to do so now. A permit meant nothing to them.

Thank you for your service.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Heytubes

As a former LEO, whenever I approached a vehicle for even a minor infraction, I always had my hand on my gun. At night, I had it un-hosted and low on my side so the citizen couldn’t see it. Lost several friends who were murdered or wounded by lack of caution. I’m 100% in favor of gun control by using both hands in a stressful encounter.

Thank you for your service.

[Papa_lecki]

How’s that gun control working out in Maryland???

during a block party in Baltimore last night (7/1) someone opened fire killing 2 and injuring 28 including children. The shooting happened in the Brooklyn homes neighborhood.

Just 2 months ago Maryland passed some of the strictest gun laws in the nation into law. Under the new laws it makes it almost impossible to legally carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the state.

Apparently, people who are willing to shoot 30 people, don’t care about the new law.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If that was the case then there would have been little to no need for the permit application. The process could have been to acquire the weapon and then rubber stamp the permit. But that wasn’t the process.

The requirements for each were slightly different according to what can be found online. Perhaps in practice they were the same but online they have slight differences.

A prohibited person cannot legally purchase a weapon. A person who legally possessed was not automatically granted a carry permit two days ago, all that changed yesterday. Not sure why you cannot understand that.

Another way to look at it… If there was nothing additional required to qualify for a permit then why not issue the permit with the weapon today? Reciprocity with other states requires a permit. Not requiring a permit in FL puts citizens at risk of forgetting when they travel out of state. Why do that? Why not just issue the permit automatically? If there is a reason to NOT do that then there is some significant difference, at least to the state of FL.

Years back a person didn't need a permit to carry a weapon. Anti-gun elements, they've been around a long time, over time got the politicians to pass laws banning concealed or open carry. Eventually people got tired of the government ignoring the Constitution and they pushed the politicians to enact laws that allowed for concealed carry with a permit. This was the first step. It has taken some time but finally we are getting the government back to obeying the Constitutional rights for the individual to keep and bear arms without needing an unconstitutional permit to do so. That is why there were carry permits.
Remember the 2nd Amendment is a right just like free speech, and the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights to the Constitution. You are right, if a person can legally purchase, own and possess a firearm they should be able to keep and bear that gun without a permit.

[Paper1]

I agree with you. In Florida now if you are able to maintain a body temperature of around 98 degrees you can carry a concealed weapon. The thinking that anybody who is not a convicted felon is a good guy with a gun. Most felons haven't been convicted yet, if you understand my meaning. They are now good guys with a legally carried firearm. The Sheriffs association gave this law their full throated endorsement.

[Fltpkr]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

Criminals with guns don’t have permits. Who are you more worried about?

Here in The Villages? Who am I most worried about?? Probably an intoxicated, angry and frustrated Villager who is on an emotional edge.

[xcaligirl]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

Very scary new law. Gun permits are no longer required in Florida. There is still a waiting period to purchase a handgun if you don't have a CCW. Got to be a nightmare for Law Enforcement. Every person they stop is a potential shooter.

A background check is still required to purchase a firearm. However, if you're a criminal, they just steal guns!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

How’s that gun control working out in Maryland???

during a block party in Baltimore last night (7/1) someone opened fire killing 2 and injuring 28 including children. The shooting happened in the Brooklyn homes neighborhood.

Just 2 months ago Maryland passed some of the strictest gun laws in the nation into law. Under the new laws it makes it almost impossible to legally carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the state.

Apparently, people who are willing to shoot 30 people, don’t care about the new law.

But they will see much more severe consequences for breaking it now. They're more likely to spend more time in jail, because now more charges can be laid against them.

[billethkid]

Another view is the "new" law documents what people have been doing all along!!!


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[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If that was the case then there would have been little to no need for the permit application. The process could have been to acquire the weapon and then rubber stamp the permit. But that wasn’t the process.

The requirements for each were slightly different according to what can be found online. Perhaps in practice they were the same but online they have slight differences.

A prohibited person cannot legally purchase a weapon. A person who legally possessed was not automatically granted a carry permit two days ago, all that changed yesterday. Not sure why you cannot understand that.

Another way to look at it… If there was nothing additional required to qualify for a permit then why not issue the permit with the weapon today? Reciprocity with other states requires a permit. Not requiring a permit in FL puts citizens at risk of forgetting when they travel out of state. Why do that? Why not just issue the permit automatically? If there is a reason to NOT do that then there is some significant difference, at least to the state of FL.

If Florida had no requirements to get a concealed carry permit, it would make sense for other states to revoke their reciprocity arrangement with Florida. Personally, I don't think Florida should be issuing permits if you are not required to have one in Florida, especially if there were no screening of applicants.