Permitless
 

News flash you've always been allowed to have it in your nightstand and or your car providing you don't have a criminal record. Now you can put it in a holster in your waistband.

Tragedy
 

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What does a shot fired thru a closed door have to do with a concealed carry discussion?

Permits
 

And never were for criminals

Read the law ! You still will need your CCW for travel in other states.... and Florida will still issue CCW's for this purpose.

Amen to that.

One can abide by the 2nd amendment but still should have to take a course, and hopefully have no criminal or mental health issues. We are supposed to have a license to drive a car but don’t need one for a gun? Does a license stop all bad drivers? Of course not. But it has to help.

Additionally, look at all the anger, fear & hate in society now. People being shot because they turn in a driveway or came to a door. It isn’t the bad guy I will encounter on a daily basis, it is the uneducated fearful good citizen.

Then there is the gun with no safety lock that gets found in grandma’s nightstand when the grandkids visit…

Hopefully this law will make criminals think twice before commiting a crime .

Not scary at all, it is a guaranteed Constitutional Amendment. In fact, such an important one they made it the 2nd one. Do you think we should have permits applied for, judged, then issued for you to say what you want or go to the church you wish? Then why should you do so for having the ability to protect yourself from harm?

Actually, the nasty old white lady had just thrown something, and it hit, the black kid, and that's why the mother was at the door with her child. Crazy white woman shot and killed the mother, through the locked door. When police talked to her she immediately claimed she was standing her ground. People in Florida seem to think it's safe to murder others and claim stand your ground. I suspect that started when Zimmerman got away with murdering Trayvon Martin.

I too have zero sympathy for the old woman, I hope she gets a life sentence.

Lol that is funny!!! Yes Least safe feeling in chicago or NY!! I will not walk one single block now when I visit back up north.

I'm missing something. The 2nd amendment has been quoted as allowing anyone to carry a concealed weapon. Did the requirement to get a permit prohibit anyone to carry a weapon? The new law eliminates the paperwork. In what cases were permits denied?
Mentally impaired? People with prior violent criminal records? Wasn't that a good thing? Is the gun you are allowed to carry now one you own or can you legally carry a friend's/relative's weapon? I would think that permitting was a reasonable way to prohibit non criminals who were dangerous to either themselves or others to not be allowed to carry a weapon. Where is my logic wrong?

To clarify, the concealed carry permit is issued to a person and it allows that person to carry a concealed firearm. It has nothing to do with a specific weapon. Neither Florida nor the Federal Government maintain a register of firearm ownership.

The only Scary part is for the ******* that he or she is going to steal from me or harm my family!! By the way I have carried the last 10 years.

Guess there will be a lot of folks from those 2d amendment hating northern states that will be moving back home??? (Wishful thinking?)

Geez. What have we here, this morning?

All I did was tell a little story from the 1970s. And now those cops (who are still carrying, and living in a retirement community in the South) are being called dirt-bags. Even had chapter and verse Fed law looked up to quote at me….wow

It was the 1970s. It was a little story. But, hey, it looks like it even turned out to have a point……

Ya know — like now — in this weird world of 2023 — hosting a big party could mean assuming that anybody and everybody could be armed…..

But, we all know that nobody ever drinks too much.

And nobody ever over-reacts on the subject of guns.

I don’t care if responsible people carry……

What I do care about is the potential for angry guys to take something totally out of context and react in a hair-trigger way.

I was not going to engage in this one. But I just had to defend my little story. (sigh) This is a microcosm of what is happening to us……The art of conversation can no longer be taken for granted. We now often have to approach even in-person discussions like walking on eggs — or like a minefield. Too many people are too easy to set off.

Boomer

I really need to stop looking at these threads.

Yikes! What channel are you seeing this scary stuff? Maybe you meant constitutional carry with no permit versus the first step, which is a gun permit that has all the requirements one would ever need to give you that warm and cozy?

As a former LEO, whenever I approached a vehicle for even a minor infraction, I always had my hand on my gun. At night, I had it un-hosted and low on my side so the citizen couldn’t see it. Lost several friends who were murdered or wounded by lack of caution. I’m 100% in favor of gun control by using both hands in a stressful encounter.

Apparently, you did not read the entire thread before you posted.

Florida is a really scary place when you add in to the equation, the termite infestation plague, lightning strikes burning down houses, golf cart wrecks, and food poisoning at Culvers .


YIKES!

Looking forward to the open carry law passage discussion.

The basic question is how should law abiding people be able to protect themselves in their home , going to work, shopping, etc. My assumption is that some of us do not follow the rules and the law abiding citizen is at an increase risk do to that.

Forgot dog poop.

Apples and oranges. Driving a car is a privilege.

The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutionally-guaranteed right.

Criminals never cared.
 

When in comes to possession and carrying a gun, the criminals never cared about the law. Laws restrict the law-abiding only. Criminals don't have a waiting period because they either steal a weapon or buy one on the black market. I have never understood that some people think that more freedom for law-abiding citizens results in more danger for the public. Actually, it results in more safety for law-abiding people because the criminals are much more afraid of confronting an armed person. That's a good thing.

We don't live in "Florida". We live in a place called "The Villages, Florida".

It is a lazy analysis to take a large diverse piece of land with invented borders and try to prove such a point as this. The Villages is quite safe. Jacksonville? Miami Gardens? Not so much. Peoria, IL? Lots of gun violence. Naperville, IL? Not so much.

Gun violence has much more to do with the people in the community and their respect for the law and law enforcement than anything else.

You are much more likely to be killed or injured by a licensed inattentive or drunk driver than you are an unlicensed law abiding citizen legally carrying a concealed weapon. Maybe that's what you should be worried about?

The new law allows anyone who can legally own a gun in Florida to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. If you pass the requirements to own, it just allows you to be able to take your legal firearm outside your home. You've already been approved to own the gun.

If a person was denied a carry permit, they cannot legally own or possess a firearm. A person has to meet the same criteria for the permit that is required to purchase or own a gun. If they were denied a permit and possess a gun they are committing a felony. Just because a permit is not needed now, that doesn't mean a prohibited person can legally carry without a permit. What is so hard to understand about that?

If a person believes they will be denied a permit and possess a gun they also might be committing a felony. Should a person who thinks they might be denied a carry permit and is investigated by law enforcement and it is proven they cannot own a firearm, they will be prosecuted.

That you know of.

If that was the case then there would have been little to no need for the permit application. The process could have been to acquire the weapon and then rubber stamp the permit. But that wasn’t the process.

The requirements for each were slightly different according to what can be found online. Perhaps in practice they were the same but online they have slight differences.

A prohibited person cannot legally purchase a weapon. A person who legally possessed was not automatically granted a carry permit two days ago, all that changed yesterday. Not sure why you cannot understand that.

Another way to look at it… If there was nothing additional required to qualify for a permit then why not issue the permit with the weapon today? Reciprocity with other states requires a permit. Not requiring a permit in FL puts citizens at risk of forgetting when they travel out of state. Why do that? Why not just issue the permit automatically? If there is a reason to NOT do that then there is some significant difference, at least to the state of FL.

As a retired LEO, I can tell you that an officer approaches every situation assuming the person they are confronting is armed. The new law doesn't change anything. Those that want to do harm are no less or more likely to do so now. A permit meant nothing to them.

Thank you for your service.

Thank you for your service.

How’s that gun control working out in Maryland???

during a block party in Baltimore last night (7/1) someone opened fire killing 2 and injuring 28 including children. The shooting happened in the Brooklyn homes neighborhood.

Just 2 months ago Maryland passed some of the strictest gun laws in the nation into law. Under the new laws it makes it almost impossible to legally carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the state.

Apparently, people who are willing to shoot 30 people, don’t care about the new law.

Years back a person didn't need a permit to carry a weapon. Anti-gun elements, they've been around a long time, over time got the politicians to pass laws banning concealed or open carry. Eventually people got tired of the government ignoring the Constitution and they pushed the politicians to enact laws that allowed for concealed carry with a permit. This was the first step. It has taken some time but finally we are getting the government back to obeying the Constitutional rights for the individual to keep and bear arms without needing an unconstitutional permit to do so. That is why there were carry permits.
Remember the 2nd Amendment is a right just like free speech, and the other rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights to the Constitution. You are right, if a person can legally purchase, own and possess a firearm they should be able to keep and bear that gun without a permit.

I agree with you. In Florida now if you are able to maintain a body temperature of around 98 degrees you can carry a concealed weapon. The thinking that anybody who is not a convicted felon is a good guy with a gun. Most felons haven't been convicted yet, if you understand my meaning. They are now good guys with a legally carried firearm. The Sheriffs association gave this law their full throated endorsement.

Here in The Villages? Who am I most worried about?? Probably an intoxicated, angry and frustrated Villager who is on an emotional edge.

A background check is still required to purchase a firearm. However, if you're a criminal, they just steal guns!

But they will see much more severe consequences for breaking it now. They're more likely to spend more time in jail, because now more charges can be laid against them.

Another view is the "new" law documents what people have been doing all along!!!


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If Florida had no requirements to get a concealed carry permit, it would make sense for other states to revoke their reciprocity arrangement with Florida. Personally, I don't think Florida should be issuing permits if you are not required to have one in Florida, especially if there were no screening of applicants.