good post

Yes, the defendants in the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases were not found guilty of any crime. But, their lives were still ruined. Not by the jury, but by the prosecutors who caved in to public opinion and protestors and charged cases that they could not prove. Prosecutors don't have the authority to declare someone guilty of a crime, but just by charging them and taking them to trial will ensure that they will be punished. Where is the accountability for the prosecutors? I don't think either one of these cases should have gone to trial.

Really, kneeling on a neck for 8.5 minutes is not murder. Sorry, not even close.

I read the autopsy and I do not see where it indicated that Floyd died because of the COPs. Bad COP or bad handling of the situation, does not mean there was any "malice" or "intent" which means that if anything the COPs could be convicted of manslaughter. I have seen dope heads on PCP take on seven trained COPs and injure several. I seen them injure themselves and not even notice broken bones. This guy was under the influence of some heavy stuff. His record indicated a violent nature, a criminal nature. Did he deserve to die? Not for anyone of us to judge that. Did his lifestyle prognosticate a tragic end to his miserable life?
I heard a statement from a young lady (Ms.Owens) recently that made sense. She said that the black community will champion or support the lowest element of blacks, whereas the white and other minority community champion and support the highest examples of good behavior. Floyd was NO martyr. He did not deserve a presidential style funeral, especially during these times of COVID-19 where funerals and large groups have been banned.
Hopefully, these COPs will get a fair trial and not a lynching or kangaroo court. You do not throw them under the bus, just for the sake of satisfying a misled group.

At least we know that Floyd's death will not be categorized as being COVID-19 related.

My (naive) interpretation of video. One policeman kneeling on uncooperative person. Another policeman looking around as if to look around to see can anyone see them. Guy on the ground saying, “I can’t breathe”. Nothing changes. Later guy on ground calls softly, “mama”. Nothing changes. That’s what I saw.

From that short video it looked like murder.

Totally disagree. Yes, we were taught that, but how many young kids have been verbally, physically, or sexually abused by teachers? By their priests? By those so-called authority figures?

All parents aren’t like yours or mine. Things aren’t always black and white... there are gray areas where those in authority push their limits. Just because a person of authority “says do it” doesn’t mean it’s always right or the best thing to do. For example, I have a cousin who was raised in a normal middle class family, just as I was. She was sexually abused (not raped) by her father. When she got the guts to tell her mother, her mother just blew it off with a stupid comment condoning it because it made her father happy. My aunt was controlled by this man as well. So... just do it? All that applies to is a NIKE commercial.

I’m not saying it’s right, and there would be A LOT less deaths if they don’t resist. This has gone on for a long time without being addressed at all. Many of the George Floyd’s in this country have witnessed and have experienced the abuse that does go on. Many others have experienced being apprehended for NO valid reason— innocent, but judged or accused because of the color of their skin.

IF these people came from homes that we did, and/or had parents that raised them properly, they wouldn’t have become criminals in the first place. Even upstanding, hard-working black people still find themselves in positions because of the racism that does exist. Have you seen the now infamous Karen memes? Never mind.

No, I wouldn’t run, but they wouldn’t be taking me in without an argument! There lies the problem— even opening their mouths to speak or defend themselves results in the “bad cops” using unnecessary force that escalates and sometimes results in injury or death. The offenders aren’t doing the right thing, but neither are the law enforcement officers. By the way, No one, NOT EVEN Joe Biden, will EVER DEFUND the police force, and FAKE NEWS is the 911 campaign message.

Guilty, guilty, guilty and we are a law enforcement family.

Did you see the same vieo the rest of the world did? George Floyd was MURDERED! Should be 1st degree not 2nd degree murder in my opionion. That officer had more than 8 minutes to form intent to kill.

I know there must be others, but my imagination fails me. The non-MSM 'news' sources can probably provide MANY alternative theories. :loco:

I quoted the linked article & used quotation marks for that reason. It was unclear where the words of Chief Arradondo ended in the transcription & narration started. It did turn out they were not his exact words.
Maybe there is no doubt to some that he resisted, definitely not to an extent that would justify an 8:46 neck hold.

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It has been a while and I do not want to go back and review what I read about Floyd. Indeed the last time I tried most of the sources I had previously found had been "disappeared". Anyway, I believe I read that when Floyd was leaning up against the wall prior to being restrained and walked to the police cruiser he was complaining he could not breath; and that the autopsy showed he had COVID-19.

Could it be his respiratory system was highly compromised by his preexisting condition so that the knee pressure to his neck did him in whereas that amount of pressure would not have killed a healthy Floyd? I realize a killer takes his victim as he finds him. Yelling boo into the ear of a person with advanced heart disease who suffers a heart attack and dies as a result in some situations could be considered committing homicide.

Beyond all that there were some highly charged personal issues between Floyd and the cop as they had both worked security at a club and according to witnesses did not get along well.

I agree, that is murder plain and simple...

An excellent post, with so much truth in it.

Anybody who has had a heart attack will tell you this ---- "the first words out of my mouth were --- I CAN"T BREATHE" !!!!!

I think their defense is going to be that George Floyd could talk, therefore he was breathing and the officers were not aware of the level of distress that he was in.

I think they'll get manslaughter. I think the intent to murder is going to be hard to prove. I also think that the fact that Floyd had a preexisting heart condition and drugs in his system will make it hard to get a murder conviction but we'll see. That one police officer, in particular, is not a sympathetic subject so if he gets over convicted I doubt anyone would care.