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DecaturFargo 08-07-2020 07:10 AM

Long overdue. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. The NRA needs to go. And before someone blasts me. Yes, we own firearms.

And to the person who thinks this is bogus. It's because no one has had the "you know what" to sue them. Too powerful, too corrupt. Time for them to go.

Fuzz323 08-07-2020 07:11 AM

I dont think thats the way it works......
 
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Originally Posted by Coal Miner (Post 1813761)
Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

So what you are saying here is that most or all of the armed dirtbags running around committing crimes in our country are doing so because of membership in the NRA? No wonder this totally non-political hardworking AG decided to bring this lawsuit at this time. Give me a break. :ohdear:

I wonder if all of those gun toting vicious cops are NRA members also? Hmm? :boxing2:

WindyCityzen 08-07-2020 07:19 AM

I spent my entire career working for nonprofits ... which, by the way means there are no stockholders. It does not mean they can’t make a profit. Also, incorporations are a state matter and the NRA chose to incorporate in NY many years ago.

The AG is protecting the MEMBERS through this action. It has nothing to do with politics. There has been enormous fiduciary thievery. The AG wants financial restitution to protect the MEMBERS of the organization and stop illegal “inurement” (which means the board and staff profiting at the expense of the members and public.

LoisR 08-07-2020 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1813655)
Wow!!

Guilty by media until proven innocent.

Suggests a pattern of concern!

Wrong. Guilty by their own actions. Using the media is just a tacit excuse for accepting their behaviors.

dennisgavin 08-07-2020 07:45 AM

I am sending them a check today to help pay for this bogus lawsuit!

Byte1 08-07-2020 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1813882)
Real men don't need guns, especially automatics. And this is from a former state rifle champion and former NRA member.

Real men don't need guns? Funny! Tell that to your military and law enforcement. Tell that to all the FEMALES that have and carry guns. Do they believe that "REAL MEN" don't need guns?
I don't NEED an AR15 but I don't care if someone else owns one. I have plenty of other weapons, including several semi-automatic rifles and pistols. I am amused but concerned about all these "experts" on guns that never held one before and think that they know what everyone else "needs" or doesn't need. Of course, we don't NEED a gun. I carry one to protect my family and anyone else that needs protection, when their "I don't need a gun" family member refuses to protect them. Remember that often abused saying that goes something like this: I carry protection when three seconds might mean life or death, when a COP is at least three minutes away.
Just because someone does not like guns, does not give them ANY RIGHT to demand that others not have them.
The gov will never be able to take everyone's guns away. As soon as they announce confiscation, guns will be hidden. If you wish to see a pandemic of crime and brand new influx of criminals in this country, try taking guns away from normally law abiding citizens.

Dahabs 08-07-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by noslices1 (Post 1813811)
You will not find many “Criminals” who are members of the NRA, so your allegations are false.

Agreed. However, you don't need to be a member to benefit from their lobbying.

theruizs 08-07-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

You have to start somewhere, right? Or because there are so many corrupt nonprofits just ignore them all and do nothing?

KRM0614 08-07-2020 08:22 AM

They’re as bad as planned parenthood Actblue and BLM

ChickenDinner 08-07-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1813740)
No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

A slippery slope argument, in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is often viewed as a logical fallacy in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect.

airstreamingypsy 08-07-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?

She did. Since politics are not allowed here, I can't name two big cases she prosecuted and had shut down.

Taltarzac725 08-07-2020 08:49 AM

Dislike what the NRA has become. They did good work before they became something else entirely.

LowOnCash 08-07-2020 08:49 AM

I'm not a fan of automatic weapons but making them illegal means only crooks and terrorist have them. These slobs who kill with them don't buy their guns at gun shops!

airstreamingypsy 08-07-2020 08:51 AM

The prosecution in NY has nothing to do with the second Amendment, it has to do with people donating to a "charity" and the people running the charity using the donations to secure expensive yachts, hotels rooms for their families etc..... IOW living like kings on your donations. That's illegal.

Lindsyburnsy 08-07-2020 09:01 AM

The other charity that had to be dissolved was another high profile grifter from NYC. She is doing her job that has been long overdue.

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1813656)
It sure seems like a bogus lawsuit with an agenda to me. There are thousands of nonprofit organizations that are just as corrupt or more corrupt than the NRA. Why isn't the NY attorney general suing them?


Gizemo33 08-07-2020 09:01 AM

Retiredguy, your logic is completely flawed. From what you feel or said nonprofits can do all the illegal things in the world and it's OK.

I saw an expose yesterday of the millions and millions that the top four people of the NRA have pilfered. But I guess you and the rest of the Second Amendment people will just continue to send in your membership fees and make "" charitable donations " to the NRA.

Get the true details and maybe you will might change your mind. Oh and by the way nobody is trying to take your guns away -- they're just trying to establish sensible gun ownership.

Indydealmaker 08-07-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1813648)
I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

The CDC has no business researching anything except disease.

Number 10 GI 08-07-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1813882)
Real men don't need guns, especially automatics.

Haven't had my full dose of caffeine yet, "Real men don't need guns", what does that mean?

Garwood1 08-07-2020 09:56 AM

I am not a member of NRA but this is the first step in eliminating any and all things they don’t agree with and where does it stop or does it keep going until they have total domination of us all ?

golf4dns 08-07-2020 10:00 AM

So make a donation to assist them in more good works...and tell them to use some of your well intentioned money to take a much deserved vacation.

Nanny32162 08-07-2020 10:02 AM

The most recent was over the
 
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Originally Posted by GJohn (Post 1813726)
Just NY's way to retaliate against all the law suits brought against Cuomo by gun owners and firearms dealers. He never stops the assault!

New York State was sued because it did not place firearms stores on the "essential services list." Pharmacies and grocery stores did make the essential services list.Yesterday, the NRA has filed a defamation law suit against the New York State AG. I have not found any other references to other law suits by the NRA.

Nanny32162 08-07-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Garwood1 (Post 1814009)
I am not a member of NRA but this is the first step in eliminating any and all things they don’t agree with and where does it stop or does it keep going until they have total domination of us all ?

This law suit is to stop illegal activity. If "it's the first step in eliminating any and all things they don't age with . . ." It seems to me that NYS doesn't agree with illegal activity, "where does it stop . . ." when all illegal activity is stamped out.

Number 10 GI 08-07-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1813737)
I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

Lets see, no one needs a 500 horsepower car, a 100 horsepower engine is sufficient. No one needs a Chevy Suburban, a small 100 HP hatchback will suffice for most hauling needs. No one in The Villages needs a 3 or 4 bedroom home, a 1 or 2 bedroom is more than enough for a couple. There is actually no need for The Villages, everyone living here had a home before moving to TV. No one needs a home swimming pool, there are a number of public swimming pools in TV. No one needs a sports car, a small 4 door hatchback with a 100 HP engine meets everyone's needs. If you don't golf you don't need a golf cart. You said you have your share of guns, but Joe Biden says all you need is a double barrel 12 gauge shotgun that you can shoot in the air to scare off the bad guys. Actually you don't need any modern smokeless powder firearms, a black powder flintlock rifle will be sufficient. There is no need for restaurants, houses have a kitchen where you can cook your own meals. We don't need movie theaters, we all have a television. I could go on and on listing the things we don't need but for life to have any joy "wants" need to be available.

Bucco 08-07-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nanny32162 (Post 1814019)
This law suit is to stop illegal activity. If "it's the first step in eliminating any and all things they don't age with . . ." It seems to me that NYS doesn't agree with illegal activity, "where does it stop . . ." when all illegal activity is stamped out.

Does everyone understand that this has nothing to do with guns, but is in fact to protect those members who think they are donating to NRA charity.

It is a scam spending money donated on THEMSELVES and has nothing at all to do with guns directly.

If you are ok with the NRA spending your money on themselves, fine, but don't confuse the issue about guns. Donating to political groups is not allowed and they did it with members money. Now, maybe you knew where it was going to go and did not care, but it is against the law.

Heyitsrick 08-07-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nanny32162 (Post 1814019)
This law suit is to stop illegal activity. If "it's the first step in eliminating any and all things they don't age with . . ." It seems to me that NYS doesn't agree with illegal activity, "where does it stop . . ." when all illegal activity is stamped out.

Let's use your philosophy in another way.

"Joe" goes to the doctor because he has the flu. The doctor takes the bigger picture view of treatment and decides to just kill Joe. Why? Well, killing Joe certainly "stamps out" the flu, right? Why bother with treating the malady, itself?

The AG wants the NRA to die as an organization. She's not (so far, anyway) indicting the person or people she thinks is breaking the law. That is what prosecutors normally do. No, she's essentially saying every single person associated with NRA is guilty of something, apparently, and that the entire entity must therefore perish.

Joe V. 08-07-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DecaturFargo (Post 1813854)
Long overdue. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. The NRA needs to go. And before someone blasts me. Yes, we own firearms.


You perhaps have in your custody any legitimate proof of this allegation? ANY?

EdFNJ 08-07-2020 10:50 AM

Don't worry folks. NRA or no NRA you can still keep packin' while at City Fire or while dancing at the squares (if it ever comes back) to protect yourselves from all the bad Villages varmints that may be lurkin' behind them thar shrubs. POW POW POW

taruffi57 08-07-2020 10:51 AM

Funny..........

funtime 08-07-2020 11:01 AM

This probably started last year when col Oliver North tried to clean up the corruption in the nra.
At that time in his resignation letter, by said he believes the NRA should establish a committee to review the organization’s finances, which he said constitute a “clear crisis” that “needs to be dealt with” if the NRA wants to continue to be a viable organization.
There was alot going on, this is when the corruption was uncovered, I believed the AG is following up on North's claims, and found them to be credible. Maybe it helps their agenda, but it still cleans up the organization. It doesnt mean they are dead either, I'm sure people like Oliver North would love to restart the group with honest intentions. This is the right thing to do.

foxmeadow 08-07-2020 11:05 AM

Real Men???
 
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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1813882)
Real men don't need guns, especially automatics. And this is from a former state rifle champion and former NRA member.

Sorry Lois R., not sure how long ago you were a NRA member and State champion, but you apparently misspoke, or you don’t know what you’re talking about. Automatics have been outlawed for the common citizens for many, many years.

foxmeadow 08-07-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LowOnCash (Post 1813958)
I'm not a fan of automatic weapons but making them illegal means only crooks and terrorist have them. These slobs who kill with them don't buy their guns at gun shops!

Automatics are and have been outlawed for a long time. Those scary “assault rifles” are typically hunting rifles. Please read up on this topic!

foxmeadow 08-07-2020 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1814029)
Let's use your philosophy in another way.

"Joe" goes to the doctor because he has the flu. The doctor takes the bigger picture view of treatment and decides to just kill Joe. Why? Well, killing Joe certainly "stamps out" the flu, right? Why bother with treating the malady, itself?

The AG wants the NRA to die as an organization. She's not (so far, anyway) indicting the person or people she thinks is breaking the law. That is what prosecutors normally do. No, she's essentially saying every single person associated with NRA is guilty of something, apparently, and that the entire entity must therefore perish.

Exactly!!

ficoguy 08-07-2020 11:37 AM

And the NRA quickly countersued NY. So this will be a draw but a good publicity stunt for the NY Attorney General
Kind of like putting Clay Shaw on trial for killing JFK - moot point

jimjamuser 08-07-2020 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1813648)
I don't own a firearm but I do support 2A, and I support the responsible ownership of firearms by responsible owners.

I also supported the NRA until 1993 when they lobbied for the Dickey amendment, which prohibits the CDC from using its funds to research gun violence in the USA.

I've been against the NRA ever since. The "organization" is nothing more than a very profitable lobby group now. And apparently a corrupt one that has put membership money into the pockets of its officers instead of spending it on its own causes. They never should've gotten their non-prof status in the first place. They can re-create themselves if they are dissolved, but their current incarnation is spoiled and unrecoverable, in my opinion.

Agreed. Good post. I stopped my membership in the 60s when they switched their emphasis from hunting animals and weapons designed for hunting to high margin expensive military style firearms used almost exclusively to KILL HUMANS - in effect hunting HUMANS. I personally would never shoot at a human outline or drawing of a human, even a depiction of a criminal. I would shoot only bulleyes. The NRA also pushed paint ball, which is basically practice for some imagined World War III or an apocalypse - Again it is hunting HUMANS. I also slowly switched to bow hunting which gave longer seasons and more of a woodsman challenge - also more time to walk among nature.

noslices1 08-07-2020 11:57 AM

No Semi-automatics?
 
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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1813737)
I quit supporting them because of their position on ar15’s and ak47’s. No need for anyone to own those weapons. I have my share of guns but no seni-automatics

So, you have some “revolvers” and maybe a Henry, Lever action style rifle, but no PISTOLS, like a .45 or 9mm and no Marlin .22 rifle? Nothing that you can just pull the trigger 8-10 times and not have to re-cock to shoot again? Except for the look of the gun, an AR-15 is basically the same as the Marlin, .22 semi-automatic rifle I had when I was 16 yrs old.

Alana33 08-07-2020 12:01 PM

New York Attorney General Letitia James announced this morning a state lawsuit demanding the dissolution of the National Rifle Association (NRA) for "decades" of illegal activity while "top executives funneled millions into their own pockets." Singled out is longtime NRA Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre, long accused of running the once-powerful pro-gun group as personal profit center.

The lawsuit accuses top NRA officials of fraudulently making off with $63 million of the alleged nonprofit's funds in the period between 2015 and 2018 alone.

The lawsuit centers around LaPierre's own behavior, charging he "hired and retained individuals in senior positions" who would "enable him to control the organization" despite having no related skills or experience. LaPierre and his handpicked lieutenants then "regularly ignored, overrode or otherwise violated" NRA bylaws and procedures to divert assets to "insiders and favored vendors." It charges LaPierre and his executives with violating IRS rules in order to hide NRA payments to executives for personal expenses, such as entertainment and travel, including $500,000 in private air charter expenses to the Bahamas by LaPierre and family for "at least eight" personal vacations.

The NRA has as a result "persistently engaged in illegal and unauthorized activities," the lawsuit charges, and should therefore be "dissolved" in accordance with applicable nonprofit law. For LaPierre's siphoning off of funds, the lawsuit also demands that he and the other executives named in the suit be removed from their positions and required to repay misused funds and resulting penalties.

LaPierre's alleged pilfering of NRA funds for personal expenses has been the subject of numerous public exposures, even as the NRA itself faces dire financial straits. Whether a court will find the NRA's illegal acts to indeed be so egregious as to require dissolution as an entity remains to be seen.

noslices1 08-07-2020 12:08 PM

Automatics?
 
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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 1813882)
Real men don't need guns, especially automatics. And this is from a former state rifle champion and former NRA member.

NOBODY is advocating that citizens should have AUTOMATIC weapons. If you knew anything about guns and “former state rifle champion and former NRA member” should, you would know that “Automatic” weapons are illegal in the U S, unless you have a special permit to own one.( Which is almost impossible to get)

jimjamuser 08-07-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1813740)
No responsible firearms owner needs assault type rifles. The reason these firearms are protected is because they are a line of defense against the moonbats going after hand guns and hunting rifles. Once the anti-gun moonbats get rid of assault rifles they will set their sights on their next target, and then the next, and the next, until only criminals possess firearms.

Responsible firearm owners would gladly have assault type weapons become illegal if it came with an iron clad agreement to end all further crusades against other types of firearms.

A domino theory in the beginning that has questionable logic, more paranoia than anything else BUT, I like the last sentence and I AGREE with it.

Number 10 GI 08-07-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1814038)
Don't worry folks. NRA or no NRA you can still keep packin' while at City Fire or while dancing at the squares (if it ever comes back) to protect yourselves from all the bad Villages varmints that may be lurkin' behind them thar shrubs. POW POW POW

Hate to burst your bubble but there are no "safe" places. Some may be or appear to be safer than others but none are immune to violence. Better to be prepared than caught with your pants down.

jimjamuser 08-07-2020 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coal Miner (Post 1813761)
Good. Because of the NRA we have criminals roaming our streets armed to the teeth. The lives this cost and the money we spend for law enforcement is a shame.

Australia has done the right thing. Only single shot rifle and bolt action repeaters are allowed. The semi-autos were CRUSHED. CRIME went DOWN. People in the US are unaware of that fact. You can hunt successfully with a bolt action. The best hunters prefer single shot. You can protect your home without a semi-auto. Less crime and zero loss of liberty or messing up the 2nd amendment. Australia is smart compared to the US about this. Australia also REQUIRES people to vote - very impressive.


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