[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by drducat

The death rate is really low so far with the Delta variant....cases up but less harmful.

Uh, I think less deadly might be more accurate at this point. Still, too few cases to determine long-haul effect, etc.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

According to the CDC the odds of someone my age being hospitalized with Covid are 266.3 in 100,000, that’s .00267. Also according to the CDC 87% of those hospitalized were obese or overweight. I’m neither. That further lowers my odds to .00035. The CDC also said that the majority of those hospitalized had an average is 2.6 of the these pre existing conditions; diabetes, heart disease, lung disease or hypertension. So, actually without those, my odds drop to virtually zero. I’ll take those odds over an unproven vaccine technology

Wonder what about long haul effects of getting CV? What about a long stay in a hospital? What about the great cost of that stay in a hospital versus a FREE vaccine?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News

Something IS very wrong. In Missouri, about 98% of the hospitalizations are the UN-vaccinated. I repeat ...the UN-VACCINATED! And about 99% of the CV deaths are the UN-vaccinated! Please check that out!

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Wonder what about long haul effects of getting CV? What about a long stay in a hospital? What about the great cost of that stay in a hospital versus a FREE vaccine?

According to the CDC, those who have had long haul effects are predominantly those who had preexisting conditions.
The stats I provided were for hospitalization, I suggest you read my post again…
FREE doesn’t make it safe. If you can show me test results showing the long term safety of mRNA vaccines…. Oh wait, you can’t, because they don’t exist…

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

He got it backwards...60% unvaxed hospitalized....yesterday the same info came out at 48% vaccinated....They can't even get their statements out correctly...not sure anymore.

Supposed to be Delta.

Israel has better data and they used pfizer vaccine where the Uk used Novavax.

The death rate is really low so far with the Delta variant....cases up but less harmful.

Delta IS causing many more younger people to DIE. That IS on ALL the TV channels. So, Delta is now the major variant in the US. Therefore, because of more younger people in hospitals, it is causing more grief and problems to US society - younger people with long haul problems. Therefore Delta is MORE dangerous than the prior variant. Think also of the hospital costs due to the Delta variant and the costs of hospital staff being overworked. There are direct costs AND INDIRECT costs!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Delta IS causing many more younger people to DIE. That IS on ALL the TV channels. So, Delta is now the major variant in the US. Therefore, because of more younger people in hospitals, it is causing more grief and problems to US society - younger people with long haul problems. Therefore Delta is MORE dangerous than the prior variant. Think also of the hospital costs due to the Delta variant and the costs of hospital staff being overworked. There are direct costs AND INDIRECT costs!

And we all know the TV channels are never wrong!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Something IS very wrong. In Missouri, about 98% of the hospitalizations are the UN-vaccinated. I repeat ...the UN-VACCINATED! And about 99% of the CV deaths are the UN-vaccinated! Please check that out!

Yes, you are right and the person who is spreading the misinformation that 48-60% of hospitalizations is among the vaccinated is very, VERY, VERY WRONG, and I wish he/she would disconnect their keyboard.

Just saw Dr. Pino, Orange County medical director, talking about the spike in cases in Orlando, which were about 600/day for the last 3 days. He stated that NOT ONE, ZERO, 0.00% of the new cases were vaccinated. Good enough for me, and in line with what the post vaccination experience in 180 million vaccinated Americans has been according to the CDC.

[LateBoomer]

it's a response to a previous post. not political, per say.. but if someone is saying, hey look at what they are saying about this variant! don't question it!!

I'm saying, really? Recent history tells me TO question it. Recent history tells me that one side has very strong reasons to whip up unnecessary hysteria about this again - it's a nice way to divert attention from other serious problems.

The smart person is a skeptical person in this case. Sorry, no, I don't trust the "information" being pumped out by one side and their Big Tech allies. Nope I don't. Trust who? the CDC? Facebook? Jen Psaki? LOL. Not a chance! Questioning what the government is telling us isn't by definition "political". it's a healthy skepticism.

and I'm in the Government, so I know of what i speak I have served under every administration since Reagan II. while I haven't 'seen it all', I've seen quite a lot.

so are we really going to attempt to shut down different POVs here by saying anything related to the government is inherently political and therefore out of bounds? I would this would not be such an excuse to quell free speech, but it would go along with the times.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by drducat

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News

you might want to go back to your source. Sky news has issued a corrected report.

Sir Patrick Vallance told a news briefing that figure was for double-jabbed people. But he later corrected himself on Twitter, saying the original statistic was false.
He posted: "Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference today, 19 July.

"About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double-vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people."

And if you are paying any attention to how the Brits categorize vaccination status, a person who has had one of two of the doses is not considered unvaccinated in their data. Additionally in the UK the second dose is not being given 4 weeks after the initial dose, rather 8 to 12 weeks later so there are a larger number of persons who have had one of the two doses.

Here is the data as reported as of July 19

Wales has vaccinated 90% of those aged 18 and over with at least one dose, while Scotland has reached 89%, England 87% and Northern Ireland 82%.

Using the British criteria, this only leaves 13% of those in England as unvaccinated, and they are fantastically over - represented as resulting in 60% of those hospitalized. We are not supplied with the data on how many of the remaining 40% have only had a single dose but about 25% of adults in the UK have only had a single dose which is far less effective against the delta strain.

Again, the data available shows that the vaccines don't just work, they work amazingly well but not 100%. As variants emerge there will need to be adjustments in vaccination recommendations and perhaps in the design of the vaccine itself, much like the influenza vaccine varies from year to year.

The take home message is that we are now in a new wave of Covid caused by the delta variant which did not exist when the vaccines were developed. It is a tribute to the excellent scientists that those vaccines work very well against this new strain. As more variants emerge, mostly in unvaccinated persons, there is a real risk that a mutation in the spike protein will make the present vaccines less protective.

Why did several Yankees test positive when they apparently were vaccinated? Likely because cause a new variant has sub-clinically infected them and they are routinely tested, several times a week unlike the general population.

Here are two images that might help people understand what is happening which show the rate of new Covid infections in Florida over the last month showing cases per 100,000 population per county:

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

it's a response to a previous post. not political, per say.. but if someone is saying, hey look at what they are saying about this variant! don't question it!!

I'm saying, really? Recent history tells me TO question it. Recent history tells me that one side has very strong reasons to whip up unnecessary hysteria about this again - it's a nice way to divert attention from other serious problems.

The smart person is a skeptical person in this case. Sorry, no, I don't trust the "information" being pumped out by one side and their Big Tech allies. Nope I don't. Trust who? the CDC? Facebook? Jen Psaki? LOL. Not a chance! Questioning what the government is telling us isn't by definition "political". it's a healthy skepticism.

and I'm in the Government, so I know of what i speak I have served under every administration since Reagan II. while I haven't 'seen it all', I've seen quite a lot.

so are we really going to attempt to shut down different POVs here by saying anything related to the government is inherently political and therefore out of bounds? I would this would not be such an excuse to quell free speech, but it would go along with the times.

On the other hand, one should not simply reject out of hand anything anyone says, just because... There is so much misinformation today from so many sources, if we are interested in the truth it is up to each of us individually to verify by whatever means everything they hear.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

I think yesterday it was 48% and now : COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance

This is in the UK...should hold true here..if not then something is terribly wrong.

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double-jabbed, says Vallance | UK News | Sky News

Latest numbers reported by CNN are hospitalizations are 97% of un-vaccinated Americans and 99.5% of deaths are un-vaccinated Americans. Looks like this is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated at this point.

Fauci warns about 'smoldering outbreak' of Covid-19 without vaccinations - CNN Video

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Something IS very wrong. In Missouri, about 98% of the hospitalizations are the UN-vaccinated. I repeat ...the UN-VACCINATED! And about 99% of the CV deaths are the UN-vaccinated! Please check that out!

Those stats were from the UK, not the US. The UK is not using the mRNA vaccines that we use here in the US so it is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. IMHO, of course.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

According to the CDC, those who have had long haul effects are predominantly those who had preexisting conditions.
The stats I provided were for hospitalization, I suggest you read my post again…
FREE doesn’t make it safe. If you can show me test results showing the long term safety of mRNA vaccines…. Oh wait, you can’t, because they don’t exist…

Short term effects of Covid, such as death, was the motivator for me to get myself vaxxed. mRNA has been studied for thirty years as a means for vaccines and cancer treatment. The scientist who began this journey is a Hungarian woman and she is credited with the invention of the mRNA technology. This mRNA technology is not a new kid on the block.

Believe what you like and I know your mind will never be changed.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those stats were from the UK, not the US. The UK is not using the mRNA vaccines that we use here in the US so it is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. IMHO, of course.

Not sure where you got that information.

The NHS (national health service?) in the UK has a Coronavirus Vaccines page that lists Pfizer, AstraZenica, and Moderna as the three vaccines being used. I saw a page somewhere that gave the percentages of each but I am unable to find that now.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Short term effects of Covid, such as death, was the motivator for me to get myself vaxxed. mRNA has been studied for thirty years as a means for vaccines and cancer treatment. The scientist who began this journey is a Hungarian woman and she is credited with the invention of the mRNA technology. This mRNA technology is not a new kid on the block.

Believe what you like and I know your mind will never be changed.

The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help curb Covid

But it does raise a philosophical question------Is death a short term or long term effect????????