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JMintzer 07-17-2021 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WesMan (Post 1974271)
Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!
5 of the 6 were vaccinated...

Reading is fundamental...

JMintzer 07-17-2021 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1974327)
Yes - so what!

Family and friends have died of other threats - no one cares or obsesses about it. I sound like a broken record - but, my goodness - pick up the paper - everyone who has died - car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, abuse, domestic violence, neglect, ……. would switch places with one of those 16,730! In a heartbeat!

Put things in perspective.
Great advice! Maybe you should take it...

No one suggested that this news was the worst thing ever...

It's obvious you're in pain right now and lashing out... Maybe it's a good idea to talk to someone about it...

JMintzer 07-17-2021 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fpmoravcik (Post 1974348)
Do they still get $13K for each positive, even i they have been vaccinated? Cha Ching
That was for hospitalizations... not simple positive tests...

JMintzer 07-17-2021 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1974447)
At NO point did I suggest that the government decide. I said, charge them with the crime of intentionally spreading false information that is known to result in people dying.

The charge is the key phrase, then have a trial and let the jury decide if there is sufficient evidence that they intentionally spread information that resulted in deaths.

That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent.

I have to ask, why are you so opposed to charging people with the crime of yelling fire in a theater?
You most certainly did suggest that the government decide as it's the GOVERNMENT that will charge someone with a crime...

To compare yelling "fire in a theater" to giving an opinion on Covid is ludicrous, at best...

And finally, "That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent."

Say what???

jimjamuser 07-17-2021 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974201)
This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.
That IS one spectacularly great post. I liked the word, "freeDUMB"! Freedumb people are the reason we have speedbumps and laws to ENFORCE seat belt usage - to FORCE people to NOT do DUMB things. Humans may be yelling, " I have the right to freeDUMB" - AS THEY GO EXTINCT!!!!!!!!

JMintzer 07-17-2021 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974548)
O.K. 13 out of 14 that tested positive were vaccinated. What are the CORRECT conclusions to be taken from those facts? (1) The one person that did NOT get the vaccine was NOT too bright. He faces possible hospitalization and death and the other 13 do NOT. They face ONLY mild symptoms. They will be asymptomatic carriers and COULD (?) carry CV back to their families.

(2) The "COULD carry back" comes into play because the ONE unvaccinated individual and the 13 vaccinated players will have vastly different amounts of antibodies built up. The 13 vaccinated players will have much greater antibodies to defend against the VIRUS. If the ONE unvaccinated player avoids the hospital in the future he can still get another - possibly even worse bout of CV. My CONCLUSION is that all the factors of risk versus reward point in favor of getting the vaccine. NOT getting the vaccine puts fellow citizens and family in DANGER of being exposed to potentially risker and risker variants of CV. Why risk the future - yours and the nations?
Thank you Dr Fauci...

Burgy 07-17-2021 12:57 PM
As I read through the string there is a lot of misinformation. PLEASE PLEASE understand the covid vaccines DO NOT inject you with the virus. Laboratories synthesize from scratch Messinger RNA so your body is ready to fend the virus off should you be exposed. This is new technology. There are vaccines for other diseases that may inactivate a virus eg. you are injected with a dead virus so your body would fend off an infection. The difference has allowed the covid vaccines to be rapidly tested and approved rather than years for the other technology. Whoever quoted Scientific American is over readings and doesn't understand this and it's dangerous. The new vaccines are very safe and effective but the misinformation out there is killing people.
As far as the Yankees, I would suspect they haven't been fully vaccinated yet for who knows what reason, I would love to know why.signed Retired MD

Burgy 07-17-2021 01:07 PM
Read my post in section 4 why long term testing isn't being done. You're hiding behind old technology.

Swoop 07-17-2021 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 1974569)
As I read through the string there is a lot of misinformation. PLEASE PLEASE understand the covid vaccines DO NOT inject you with the virus. Laboratories synthesize from scratch Messinger RNA so your body is ready to fend the virus off should you be exposed. This is new technology. There are vaccines for other diseases that may inactivate a virus eg. you are injected with a dead virus so your body would fend off an infection. The difference has allowed the covid vaccines to be rapidly tested and approved rather than years for the other technology. Whoever quoted Scientific American is over readings and doesn't understand this and it's dangerous. The new vaccines are very safe and effective but the misinformation out there is killing people.
As far as the Yankees, I would suspect they haven't been fully vaccinated yet for who knows what reason, I would love to know why.signed Retired MD
13 of the 14 were fully vaccinated! I guess reading comprehension isn’t required in order to post on TOTV…

GrumpyOldMan 07-17-2021 02:18 PM
It seems consistent that we can not learn to disagree without insulting people. It used to be possible, too bad for the change.

Michaellinda 07-17-2021 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974142)
Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…
Last time it was the office staff.

Swoop 07-17-2021 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1974601)
It seems consistent that we can not learn to disagree without insulting people. It used to be possible, too bad for the change.
There is a huge difference between disagreeing and not comprehending the written word. Three separate times someone posted that it was the player’s fault for not being vaccinated. Three times I reposted that they had been vaccinated. The forth time I wasn’t as polite…
It wasn’t because of difference of opinion…

Swoop 07-17-2021 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Michaellinda (Post 1974602)
Last time it was the office staff.
Actually it was both staff and a coach. The first time they originally announced that there were 9 positives that included a player, but that turned out to be a false positive.
All eight members of the Yankees organization that tested positive were fully vaccinated.
Five of the six players in the latest outbreak were also fully vaccinated.

GrumpyOldMan 07-17-2021 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974604)
There is a huge difference between disagreeing and not comprehending the written word. Three separate times someone posted that it was the player’s fault for not being vaccinated. Three times I reposted that they had been vaccinated. The forth time I wasn’t as polite…
It wasn’t because of difference of opinion…
I understand it can be very frustrating when it seems people intentionally misunderstand things. I feel that. I was just mentioning to my wife this morning about maybe taking a break for a little while because my frustration level is growing,

We'll see. I will try hard to not be rude.

jimjamuser 07-17-2021 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1974371)
Sorry, no it is NOT fascism, it is the legal system. We already do this in other cases. A person can be charged for yelling fire in a theater.

Who will be the arbiter, the jury - American citizens. Not the government, which would be Fascism.
That IS a perfect example.....yelling fire in a movie when there is NO fire - is an example of EXTREME disinformation. Enough disinformation, even in small doses, leads to propaganda, which is a DEMOCRACY destroyer. Are we there yet???????

stanley 07-17-2021 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974619)
That IS a perfect example.....yelling fire in a movie when there is NO fire - is an example of EXTREME disinformation. Enough disinformation, even in small doses, leads to propaganda, which is a DEMOCRACY destroyer. Are we there yet???????
America is "supposed" to be a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy
(notice no capital d, it doesn't deserve it).
And anyone that thinks America has not been propagandized, hasn't been paying attention.

Pat2015 07-17-2021 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974615)
Yes, I agree. That would be great!
You agree that people should be prosecuted for posting their opinions (in this case regarding vaccines) that the government or another entity believes is disinformation? You do realize that what someone might deem disinformation today, could be proven to be true on another day? Also, last I checked we live in the United States of America, not communist China where you round up people because you don’t agree with what they say, and you censure/block people’s opinions and research to suit what you want them to know and believe. I wouldn’t want to live in a place like that.

Herscheleen 07-17-2021 06:07 PM
Getting vaccinated doesn't keep you from catching covid19, if you get covid it will keep you out of the hospital & from DYING from it. You will have a milder form of it. Wearing a mask and distancing will help you to not get covid.

golfing eagles 07-17-2021 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Herscheleen (Post 1974646)
Getting vaccinated doesn't keep you from catching covid19, if you get covid it will keep you out of the hospital & from DYING from it. You will have a milder form of it. Wearing a mask and distancing will help you to not get covid.
Anytime you would like to cite a legitimate reference that supports that more than 0.007% of fully vaccinated individuals can "get COVID", I'm all ears

Swoop 07-17-2021 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974655)
Anytime you would like to cite a legitimate reference that supports that more than 0.007% of fully vaccinated individuals can "get COVID", I'm all ears
The Yankees have 25 players on their active roster. Six were just diagnosed with Covid, five were fully vaccinated. That’s a small sample, but that’s 20% - a huge difference between 20% and 0.007%. All but one had no symptoms. But per protocol, they are still tested regularly. That’s how they were found to be positive. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine are not tested regularly, especially when they have absolutely no symptoms. So, how do we know the actual number of breakthrough cases?

GrumpyOldMan 07-17-2021 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974659)
The Yankees have 25 players on their active roster. Six were just diagnosed with Covid, five were fully vaccinated. That’s a small sample, but that’s 20% - a huge difference between 20% and 0.007%. All but one had no symptoms. But per protocol, they are still tested regularly. That’s how they were found to be positive. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine are not tested regularly, especially when they have absolutely no symptoms. So, how do we know the actual number of breakthrough cases?
We can never KNOW precisely. I am certain that people who could answer your question are working their butts off to figure out the answer, or to at least get close.

George Page 07-18-2021 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1974346)
I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.
It appears to be a certainty that getting vaccinated is the socially responsible thing to do. So was wearing a mask during the pandemic peak.

NYCAROL 07-18-2021 05:18 AM
Sorry to disappoint you but I have been a NY Yankee fan all of my life so your statement that everyone hates the Yankees is not true.

Nucky 07-18-2021 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Packer Fan (Post 1974161)
WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees
I think you misunderstood. We are talking about the most valuable sports franchise in the world. Or it was. Not a bunch of people who wear rat bait on their heads. I’ll be a Yankee fan until they bury or burn me up. Got it Cheesehead? Lol.

What a shame about the players who suffer. I would think people would have mercy on them and not be taking shots at them. Whatever. Hope you and everyone you are associated with stay healthy. If not let us know. We’ll pray for them or support you, no shots will be taken. Later Hater, I mean Later Gator.

Who cares anyway? I do. Villagers Lives and Opinions Matter. Swiss Head! Lol

Sheltie-Lover 07-18-2021 05:34 AM
So sorry to hear about your mom. My condolences to you and your family. I believe, however, the 610,000 people who died from Covid would differ with your statement.

nick demis 07-18-2021 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974142)
Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…
It appears that you can test positive even if you have DEAD covid cells in your system. I guess this means the whole system is faulty.

golfing eagles 07-18-2021 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974659)
The Yankees have 25 players on their active roster. Six were just diagnosed with Covid, five were fully vaccinated. That’s a small sample, but that’s 20% - a huge difference between 20% and 0.007%. All but one had no symptoms. But per protocol, they are still tested regularly. That’s how they were found to be positive. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine are not tested regularly, especially when they have absolutely no symptoms. So, how do we know the actual number of breakthrough cases?
Well, the 0.007% number is from the CDC. The 20% number is an extrapolation of rumor on social media. I think I'll go with the CDC.

Now, off the record and just an opinion, maybe not even one I would give professionally, I wonder if there is a problem with the test. Also, could the vaccine, which codes for the spike protein, cause enough B cell activity to turn the test positive. And then maybe some of the players had exposure just prior to vaccination. And again, a positive test is not a "case", I don't think any of these rumored cases was sick.

GeriS 07-18-2021 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1974145)
Something has got to be screwy with the testing...
You think???? I've seen videos of boxes of test swabs that say either positive or negative. Think they are deciding the outcome? Do your research. This is going to be biblical.

GeriS 07-18-2021 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974714)
Well, the 0.007% number is from the CDC. The 20% number is an extrapolation of rumor on social media. I think I'll go with the CDC.

Now, off the record and just an opinion, maybe not even one I would give professionally, I wonder if there is a problem with the test. Also, could the vaccine, which codes for the spike protein, cause enough B cell activity to turn the test positive. And then maybe some of the players had exposure just prior to vaccination. And again, a positive test is not a "case", I don't think any of these rumored cases was sick.
You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.

Swoop 07-18-2021 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974714)
Well, the 0.007% number is from the CDC. The 20% number is an extrapolation of rumor on social media. I think I'll go with the CDC.

Now, off the record and just an opinion, maybe not even one I would give professionally, I wonder if there is a problem with the test. Also, could the vaccine, which codes for the spike protein, cause enough B cell activity to turn the test positive. And then maybe some of the players had exposure just prior to vaccination. And again, a positive test is not a "case", I don't think any of these rumored cases was sick.
This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…

golfing eagles 07-18-2021 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974737)
You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.
You have a legitimate source that states the actual COVID-19 virus was PATENTED?????

If so, that would be quite a game changer.

GeriS 07-18-2021 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974201)
This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.
You need to do your research. Everything you said is backwards. The vaccinated are shedding the spike protein. Many drs. are saying blood clots are developing in the vaxxed. Yes, it is my body, my choice & I choose not to be experimented on & if you would stop listening to the msm & research you will find what is real.

golfing eagles 07-18-2021 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974741)
This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…
I did not "provide" the 0.007% figure, the CDC did. Go argue with them

GeriS 07-18-2021 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by WesMan (Post 1974271)
Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!
Why do they have to get the shots? Maybe they chose not to be an experiment. If it is so great, why are they bribing people who know the truth to get it? Maybe you should check what is in it, how long ago this was planned and who is becoming rich over this.

GeriS 07-18-2021 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 1974569)
As I read through the string there is a lot of misinformation. PLEASE PLEASE understand the covid vaccines DO NOT inject you with the virus. Laboratories synthesize from scratch Messinger RNA so your body is ready to fend the virus off should you be exposed. This is new technology. There are vaccines for other diseases that may inactivate a virus eg. you are injected with a dead virus so your body would fend off an infection. The difference has allowed the covid vaccines to be rapidly tested and approved rather than years for the other technology. Whoever quoted Scientific American is over readings and doesn't understand this and it's dangerous. The new vaccines are very safe and effective but the misinformation out there is killing people.
As far as the Yankees, I would suspect they haven't been fully vaccinated yet for who knows what reason, I would love to know why.signed Retired MD
If they are so safe, how come more people have died from it that all vaccines ever?

golfing eagles 07-18-2021 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974733)
You think???? I've seen videos of boxes of test swabs that say either positive or negative. Think they are deciding the outcome? Do your research. This is going to be biblical.
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974737)
You are right on. Why are there patents on viruses? You cannot patent something that occurs naturally in nature, therefore this was not natural. Do your research.
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974743)
You need to do your research. Everything you said is backwards. The vaccinated are shedding the spike protein. Many drs. are saying blood clots are developing in the vaxxed. Yes, it is my body, my choice & I choose not to be experimented on & if you would stop listening to the msm & research you will find what is real.
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974749)
Why do they have to get the shots? Maybe they chose not to be an experiment. If it is so great, why are they bribing people who know the truth to get it? Maybe you should check what is in it, how long ago this was planned and who is becoming rich over this.
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974750)
C ommie D isinformation C ommittee
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974751)
If they are so safe, how come more people have died from it that all vaccines ever?
That's quite a lot of "research". Could you please cite the legitimate sources for these assertions? BTW, "Conspiracy Theory Weekly" is NOT a legitimate source:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Bill14564 07-18-2021 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1974750)
C ommie D isinformation C ommittee
Incredible irony considering your many recent posts.

Bill14564 07-18-2021 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974741)
This is not a “rumor on social media” the positive tests were reported by every major news network. All six were also retested and confirmed positive.
Two months ago, eight members of the Yankees travel team and coaching staff, who were fully vaccinated, tested positive. One required hospitalization. In order for the 0.007% figure that you provided to truly work, the Yankees would have to have had 114,286 coaches and members of the traveling team…
Poor attempt at statistics. The 0.007% was calculated across all those who were vaccinated, not just those associated with the Yankees.

WRONG: Every vaccinated person who develops a breakthrough case must have 14,286 family members who did not get sick. Therefore, since eight Yankees became infected there must be 114,286 Yankees that did not.

RIGHT: About one out of every 14,286 vaccinated individuals will develop a symptomatic breakthrough case.

Swoop 07-18-2021 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974745)
I did not "provide" the 0.007% figure, the CDC did. Go argue with them
You “provided” the 0.007% figure to this discussion. I did not confirm that was the CDC’s 0.007% figure.

Assuming you “provided” the correct number from the CDC, then there appears to be a significant difference between what they are reporting and what is actually occurring…

Swoop 07-18-2021 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1974766)
Poor attempt at statistics. The 0.007% was calculated across all those who were vaccinated, not just those associated with the Yankees.

WRONG: Every vaccinated person who develops a breakthrough case must have 14,286 family members who did not get sick. Therefore, since eight Yankees became infected there must be 114,286 Yankees that did not.

RIGHT: About one out of every 14,286 vaccinated individuals will develop a symptomatic breakthrough case.
The Yankee players are tested for Covid a minimum of every other day, from the beginning of Spring training until the end of the post season.
Of the millions of those vaccinated, how many are tested at that frequency level - without any symptoms?
Which should make you wonder, how many breakout cases are never diagnosed?


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