That would be what may happen in the future, no?

Not an assumption at all. It is a prediction, nothing more nothing less

Don't shoot the ____________.

But he WAS convicted.
Check the court records.
Yes, things happened since.............but he was convicted.

:ho:

Somehow, I view this situation from a different viewpoint and I have to admit I am a casual observer.

1/ I think he did violate the Florida Sunshine law regarding improper conversations. Personally, as I understand that law (limited), I think it is anti productive. To make things clear, my understanding is that discussion about issues with co- supervisors outside of public forum is not allowed.

2/ From what I understand, his crime of conviction was not for the Violation of the Sunshine law, but rather for Lying to state investigators whether he had discussions that violated the Florida Sunshine Law.

3/ His conviction was overturned upon appellate review that he did indicate later that he may have had those banned discussions.

What those discussions were about is another issue.

Was jail time even justified - in my opinion an unreasonable punishment for the whole issue.

Is he innocent, probably not regarding the Sunshine Law (He knew the rules). But Jail?

Thinking back on your life, have you ever done anything that violated a law? Speeding, theft (Pencil, tablet, software), insurance claim, tax deductions, etc.

Most of us are probably guilty of something. Would we have denied it? Yes, until the proof is evident. Then consent, I forgot whatever.

Not a Daily Sun issue or Village issue. We all create our own footprints. Be prepared to justify where they are. Don't blame others.

This thread would have been more beneficial for me if it was more focused more on the policy differences between the potential candidates.

Normally some ones party affiliation would affect my decision but not so much on the local level. The last thing I want is a politician who is a rubber stamp.

Or his vote is bought and paid for

November
 

Hopefully we all want what is right, and not what greed dictates when selection time comes.

What Oren did was what was right in his own mind. Greed and gobbling money he already doesn’t need didn’t drive him to turn down the back pay due him.

Wiley also wants is right by being informative and even devoting time to his analysis of progress here. It appears he thinks he is right by supporting the developer and more business through his videos as advertisements to move to the villages which isn’t always a bad thing.

Many want a balance, not a heavy handed government. We just want a fair balance. This fall should be interesting.

Government works best, when there's diversity of opinion, goals and perspectives.

In Florida, if an appeal has been taken from a judgment of guilty in the trial court, that conviction does not become final until the judgment of the lower court has been finally affirmed by the appellate courts.

Felony conviction on appeal, voting | My Florida Legal

So what happened since?

+10,000 new homes.

New roads, new Villages/homes, multiple golf course s, Middleton and 3 new Charter Schools built or under way.

Eastport well under way.

+20,000 jobs retained.

Sumter County property taxes reduced 9% substantially because +10,000 new homes sold.

Over $5 billion in new home revenue resulting in over $50 million in new incremental property taxes to the county.

Mega industrial site approved projected to bring more than 25,000 jobs to Sumter on the Monarch Ranch, to prepare the 2,866 acres for 16 million square feet of industrial uses.

25,000 jobs to Sumter on the Monarch Ranch | dailycommercial.com

The Developer is already trying to stop him from being elected. I hope he does get elected but the Develper will be after him again for suire.

Seems Oren just rides the “anti-developer” train and does little else. Don Wiley was a great, independent commissioner in the past, and will be great again! Don has integrity and holds the respect of most Villagers. When you bring up his name, you get nothing but positive responses.

His most impressive occupation in his background:

Reactor Controls Leading Chief Petty Officer
US Navy
Jul 1979 - Jul 1999 · 20 yrs 1 mo
(LinkedIn)

Went thru the election when three guys went to replace the developers three stooges and saw how the whole thing played out so history is on my side.

Day after day the sun ragged on the candidates to replace the stooges.

So far Wiley and the other two developer candidates have received about $ 85,000 in contributions. Now Miller has about $ 4000.

Do you see a trend starting?

It’s about character once a Democrat always a Democrat. Remember they don’t work for you.

On a local level do not think that party affiliation is that important.

Also as we get older we do tend to see the world differently

:shrug: Maybe it's just me...... I thought this reply was pretty sophomoric. I then looked it up and now I am convinced it is.

From Merriam-Webster:

sophomoric

1
: conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature
a sophomoric argument
2
: lacking in maturity, taste, or judgment
sophomoric humor

SMH and YMMV :oops: Name calling seems to take away from your argument.

Did you mean…

It’s about character once working for the Builder always working for the Builder. Remember they don’t work for you.

That makes more sense.

The one thing that no one has said is that Owen represented all of Sumter County. He spent time with residents in Webster, Tarrytown, St. Catherine, Center Hill, Bushnell, Coleman, Lake Panasoffkee, Wildwood, The Villages, Wahoo and more. He represented all of Sumter County. Can any of the others say they have done that? Big No! You will vote for who you want but I hate what happened to Owen and I have nothing but respect for him.

I sure hope so

Read todays Sun and see the comments made about Wiley, all favorable and than Miller all negative and feel free to say I know what I am talking about.

Bet just about all of Wiley contribution came from either the developer or his allies.

Contributions didn’t matter
 

In 2020 the builder spent 8 dollars per vote and lost overwhelmingly by a ratio of 2:1. The other three including Miller spent a little less than 40cents per vote. It will be the same this time around.

I think the developer has done a great job building this place and we are very happy to be there.

What I do not like is his political influence that he uses to get his way which is not always in the best interest of us villagers.

Not so sure. Last time villagers were not happy with the 24% increase in real estate taxes and took it our on the existing commissioners.

This time around Don Wiley is looked on variably by most do so most people will probably vote for him.

Thanks for responding and sharing your opinion. Not everyone feels The Developer is working against the interests of most villagers - most new residents I socialize and interact with have positive things to say about The Developer. - Not sure I would have moved here if I felt The Developer would be actively working against my interests, but that’s just me.

Bingo. When the developer pulls his puppet strings, you can bet it will cost US money, not him.
The developers have spent decades doing things on the cheap, and then handing over responsibility for maintenance and repairs to the residents.

I often hear this. Can someone provide examples?

Yep, most "NEW" residents. Once you've been here a while, you will not like having your wallet dipped into every time the developer finds a way to shift expenses.