we come close. we have members on both sides who can still sit, enjoy coffee & read the thoughts of those among us. yes, it gets a bit hot @ times, but we always come back. truth is, i like some of you guys on the 'other side', the pix of wildlife you share, quick wit, amusing quips & plain old wisdom. toxic hate is bad for the mind & soul.

As a retired MD I can tell you that people who have survived COVID are being told to get the vaccine because it provides stronger and longer protection from COVID. Please get educated. I wore a mask every day of my career and it's verified protection.

Thank you for the kind words. And yes, I have to remind myself occasionally that the "toxic" here are numbers in the dozens out of the 75,000 here in TV.

Sadly, one side of our country doesn't believe in science. And I can't get any closer to the truth without another enforced vacation. The good news in that here in TV the majority (85%? - I like that percentage and use it in many contexts :) ) of residents are vaccinated, now if we can just get them to wear masks too, life will be good, birds will sing and smiles will return.

Which "side" is that? The same "side" that comprises the bulk of those 85% who are vaccinated in TV?

That is what parties do.

No offense but it is you who needs education. Here is the data from Israel. On the right you have three categories, all with 90% plus risk reduction.

Vaccinated 3 times, recovered not vaccinated, recovered and vaccinated
with little difference in protection. There is very little gained by vaccination after recovery, in fact in the most at risk 60 years plus category they are exactly the same, 97% risk reduction.

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The people who need vaccination most are the unvaccinated and fully vacinated more than 6 months ago. You wore a mask to prevent your bacteria from contaminating the patient, not virus protection. Read about aerosoled virus sizes and it is obvious surgical and cloth masks only stop larger globules. 85% of virus expelled from infected is very small aerosols.

You must have a different definition of hate than other folks. Although, I may be biased because I concur with the statement on that sign. However, I do not hate those ignorant enough to be followers rather than leaders. I do not hate the Brits for their tyranny before we declared our independence, and I never hated the Vietnamese during the war(examples). Hate is a strong word and like it was said above, serves only to halt a discussion when one has run out of convincing points.

Maybe my faith has eliminated HATE in my life?

In the context of this thread, a person murdering his brother - sounds like hate, maybe mentally ill hate, but hate.

I don't hate people who believe in a personally god, I am happy if it makes them happy.

My dad can beat up your dad. My experts and smarter than your experts. Been around and around this tree. It doesn't mater since the common flu is worse anyway.

Mental Illness!!
 

Mental illness has no boundaries. It manifests itself in many evil ways.

I do agree, and I had to walk away to avoid a post that would have possibly gotten me awarded a permanent ban - LOL!

It is sad but true. Your comments are spot on IMO

With all do respect, over 700,000 have died from Covid in the US. If wearing a mask and getting vaccinated during the pandemic requires me doing something for the better good and sacrificing a little personal freedom in the process that might save one life - I will do it. We all make choices good, bad or otherwise.

I have no idea what your point is. The data from Israel is not some "expert's opinion". The data in the chart I posted above was based a a very large study of millions of Israeli citizens. Israel keeps very good records and are very transparent. Israel was one of the first countries to start a nationwide vaccine campaign, they experienced the delta wave before us, and ciurrently they have given 3rd booster shots to several million citizens, more than any country so far especially per capita.

Israeli health authorities presented their data to the FDA during their deliberation on booster shots. I can guarantee you that Fauci, CDC heads, etc and probably 90% of the epidemiologists on earth have studied that chart and data very closely.

Israel is the canary in the covid mine.

Here's are just a few good reasons why I said what I said about CNN:
- CNN Participated in The Hunter’s Laptop Cover-Up
- Lies about the Covington teen Nick Sandmann just for wearing a red hat.
- Weeks of the big Jussie Smollett hoax.
And let's not forget the downplayed Murder, Riots and Destruction in Cities to Peaceful Demonstrations.
So many, many more I can produce, but will fall under a political topic..

He spent close to 8 months denying it even existed - called it a hoax pushed by the opposing Party. "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear"

Denying what existed? Called what a hoax? Please be specific...

Which has nothing to do with this post, but thank you for the comments. I understand you don't trust CNN, neither do with. You have made that abundantly clear in oh, maybe a couple hundred posts?

There's a saying about a pot and a kettle...

“Yeah, I stopped the bill that I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach,” he added. (McAuliffe quoit) Biden's Education Secretary Cardona says parents should not be the "primary stakeholder" in their kids' education. I must have heard wrong , "US attorney general directs FBI to investigate parents’ protests of school boards" this kind of talk adds fuel to the political bond fire

I'll answer that......Covid-19. I'm sure you've heard of it.

Ah, well good thing no one ever called Covid a hoax...

Strange how it's always people who claim to be truth seekers and fact checkers that continue to make things up.

Or, they believe what they initially heard and not the retraction...