Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014149)

There seems to be a growing trend toward violence surrounding the COVID vaccination and masking.

People assaulting restaurant workers for enforcing the restaurants rules - wear masks to enter. Not a singleton event/

Flight attendants assaulted for enforcing the airlines rules - wear masks. Not a singleton event.

And now a person, anti-vaxer, is accused of killing his brother, a pharmacist, to stop him from giving vaccinations.

So far most of the media has not covered this story, so I can't vouch for it's veracity.

"According to the charging documents filed against Burnham related to the Howard County murders, Burnham told another unnamed person that his brother was “killing people with the COVID shot.”

Maryland man allegedly fatally shot his pharmacist brother for ‘killing people’ with the COVID vaccine, court records show - Baltimore Sun

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2014676)

Well, when the government is forcing the vaccine on freedom-loving Americans under penalty of career, job, ability to function in society ... you have to EXPECT that some will respond like this. While that will never be my response to others being vax'd, I do understand the sentiment. If someone came to my door attempting to force the vaccine into MY arm, they will suffer from lead poisoning. What this man did was wrong - it was not self defense. Let's just wait and see how the world looks in the next 12-18 months.

I'm in Maryland at the moment and the story is indeed true. Surprised at this? Not at all. If the government keeps pushing, people will push back. Not everyone will react the same but don't expect meek compliance.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2014560)

Very unfortunate but our country has been divided by hate for the last 6 years and I don’t see if getting better anytime soon.
We have become so divided that we just stopped listening.
Fix the hate and it will fix the problem.
I am not mad at anyone for their choice to be vax or not…..because it is not my place to tell you what to do with your life, just like it is not your place to tell me.

It sure would be nice if you can have open conversations with out the hate that has divided us.

Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2014618)

So what’s your point? Anti-vaxers are violent people? I guess we forgot about BLM and Antifa riots and violence?

Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 2014619)

Did you see the picture of the guy that killed his brother? Someone should check to see who else in his family he killed

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2014629)

The idea that Americans "HATE" is ludicrous. The word "hate" is misused and abused. Just because someone does not agree with you does NOT mean that they "hate" anyone. The term "hate" is just used to shut down a discussion. Just like calling someone a racist, of sexist is a means to shut down the conversation.

I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I do believe in one's right to make a choice regarding their own well being. If they wish to decline the vaccination, so be it. How can anyone judge someone when there is all kinds of stories and studies regarding the dangers of being vaccinated? On the other hand, rushing to be first in line to get the shots when one is in fear should also not be judged.
I have my shots but I doubt (right now) that I will get a booster. And for those that scream that we should do it for other folks, the only person I would consider doing it for is my spouse. I owe no one else, and do not feel responsible for anyone else.

So, quit using the asinine terms like hate, racist, sexist, etc. It does not further a civil discussion.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2014676)

Well, when the government is forcing the vaccine on freedom-loving Americans under penalty of career, job, ability to function in society ... you have to EXPECT that some will respond like this. While that will never be my response to others being vax'd, I do understand the sentiment. If someone came to my door attempting to force the vaccine into MY arm, they will suffer from lead poisoning. What this man did was wrong - it was not self defense. Let's just wait and see how the world looks in the next 12-18 months.

I'm in Maryland at the moment and the story is indeed true. Surprised at this? Not at all. If the government keeps pushing, people will push back. Not everyone will react the same but don't expect meek compliance.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014699)

Several things.

1. The government forces vaccinations all the time, that way they save millions of lives - measles, mumps, smallpox, polio, et al. And no one kills their pediatrician.

2. NO I do not expect civilized intelligent American's to kill each other because one of them is trying to help people get protection from a pandemic.

3. Killing your brother because you disagree with their politics. That is your recommendation?

Sounds like advocacy of violence, I assume that is not what you are advocating?

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2014705)

The Federal government is not in the business of mandating vaccines. See below. The vaccinations referred to in Point #1 of the quoted post all refer to STATE-mandated vaccines.

"States have long had the constitutional authority to mandate vaccinations, which the Supreme Court has upheld twice, first in 1905 and then in 1922. The federal government, however, has limited power to mandate vaccines. It can only require them to prevent transmission of a dangerous infectious disease across state lines or international borders. The federal government has never sought to require nationwide vaccinations, and the courts probably would not allow it." (Scientific American, August 5, 2021)

The issue is not the efficacy of the vaccines(s) in question. The issue is Federal government overreach, which in the end will only be settled by the SCOTUS. My guess is that SCOTUS will confirm that it is a states-rights issue and that the Federal government has no business trying to mandate COVID vaccine or any other vaccine for that matter.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014686)

Execellent post, so out of place here...

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2014635)

Says the person who posts a story meant to paint anyone who refuses masks or vaccines as a violent and crazy murderer.

Tens of millions of Americans who have survived covid have stronger and longer lasting immunity than the fully vaccinated. Are they anti vaxers?

85% of the virus expelled by infected individuals is contained in very fine aerosols. Surgical and cloth masks do nothing to stop these aerosols whether they are breathed out or breathed in. It is basic physics. Are people who understand basic physics anti maskers?

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2014736)

we come close. we have members on both sides who can still sit, enjoy coffee & read the thoughts of those among us. yes, it gets a bit hot @ times, but we always come back. truth is, i like some of you guys on the 'other side', the pix of wildlife you share, quick wit, amusing quips & plain old wisdom. toxic hate is bad for the mind & soul.

Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 2014745)

As a retired MD I can tell you that people who have survived COVID are being told to get the vaccine because it provides stronger and longer protection from COVID. Please get educated. I wore a mask every day of my career and it's verified protection.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2014754)

Sadly, one side of our country doesn't believe in science. And I can't get any closer to the truth without another enforced vacation. The good news in that here in TV the majority (85%? - I like that percentage and use it in many contexts :) ) of residents are vaccinated, now if we can just get them to wear masks too, life will be good, birds will sing and smiles will return.