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Dahabs 09-05-2020 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1828237)
Given your ridiculous scenario, I totally blame the cop. Here is a law abiding citizen who is mistreated by someone who is sworn to protect him because he can't see beyond skin color. Then give up your badge and become a commenter on TOTV. The cop is given special rights and special protection and special treatment and special honors and is still a racist in your scenario.

All of you who say this is just fine, it is human nature are exactly the same people who claim there is not such thing as white privilege. Yet you are presented a simple clear example of white privilege and defend it, even think it is completely reasonable. After all, those blacks are criminals and thugs and rapists and murderers and druggies and so they and anyone who shares their skin color deserves what they get.

Even if the driver in your little thought experiment is a former convicted felon he deserves to be treated with respect and exactly the same as any lily white driver unless he is at the time he is stopped committing a crime. Period.
Totally agree. I also think that police fraternities, unions, need to stop supporting (and sometimes covering for) bad behavior from bad cops. The blanket "we support all cops all the time regardless" is not helpful and needs to change. Bad cops need to be weeded out. Likewise, community leaders such as Al Sharpton cannot be supporting bad actors. They need to be more discerning with their support.

J1ceasar 09-05-2020 05:38 AM
Racism IS profiling with history

Ndomines 09-05-2020 05:52 AM
Police and Predudice
 
Your supposition goes much deeper. It’s found in your need to rationalize unacceptable behaviors. In a nut shell pointing out racial divide requires one to focus on superficial differences. Drop the color and replace it with culture. We all can work on culture equally.
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1828189)
Suppose a black man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job, gets married, and has a few children. He never breaks the law, never gets arrested, and is a good family man. One day, he is pulled over by a white police officer and is not treated in the same way that the police officer would normally treat a white man. But, the black man obeys the police, shows his valid license and registration, and is eventually released, even though he feels like he should have been treated with more respect. Who should he blame? The police officer because he is obviously a racist? Maybe. But, how about placing at least some of the blame on the disproportionate number of black men who did not follow the same law abiding course in life, and had some influence on the police officer's perception about life. Police officers are supposed to follow a standard procedure, but they are only human.

tsmall22204 09-05-2020 06:03 AM
You miss the whole point. The police officer ONLY enforces the law. When the officer takes the role of judge and jury, he crosses the line. Not everyone will be treated the same, but no officer issues any form of punishment. That is for the courts to decide.

joseppe 09-05-2020 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1828237)
Given your ridiculous scenario, I totally blame the cop. Here is a law abiding citizen who is mistreated by someone who is sworn to protect him because he can't see beyond skin color. Then give up your badge and become a commenter on TOTV. The cop is given special rights and special protection and special treatment and special honors and is still a racist in your scenario.

All of you who say this is just fine, it is human nature are exactly the same people who claim there is not such thing as white privilege. Yet you are presented a simple clear example of white privilege and defend it, even think it is completely reasonable. After all, those blacks are criminals and thugs and rapists and murderers and druggies and so they and anyone who shares their skin color deserves what they get.

Even if the driver in your little thought experiment is a former convicted felon he deserves to be treated with respect and exactly the same as any lily white driver unless he is at the time he is stopped committing a crime. Period.

Why do you think the Cop is a 'racist'? Is it because he was raised by racists who instilled that mode of thinking or is it possible because he has witness the actions and behavior or most blacks and formed a racial bias? When I was younger and had long hair and rode a motorcycle I was often stopped by police and treated in a harsh manner much differently that I was later in life or today. I think its human nature to react to what we've be taught or leaned to expect in any given situtation.

La lamy 09-05-2020 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1828237)
Given your ridiculous scenario, I totally blame the cop. Here is a law abiding citizen who is mistreated by someone who is sworn to protect him because he can't see beyond skin color. Then give up your badge and become a commenter on TOTV. The cop is given special rights and special protection and special treatment and special honors and is still a racist in your scenario.

All of you who say this is just fine, it is human nature are exactly the same people who claim there is not such thing as white privilege. Yet you are presented a simple clear example of white privilege and defend it, even think it is completely reasonable. After all, those blacks are criminals and thugs and rapists and murderers and druggies and so they and anyone who shares their skin color deserves what they get.

Even if the driver in your little thought experiment is a former convicted felon he deserves to be treated with respect and exactly the same as any lily white driver unless he is at the time he is stopped committing a crime. Period.
I agree. Well said.

Stu from NYC 09-05-2020 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 1828286)
Totally agree. I also think that police fraternities, unions, need to stop supporting (and sometimes covering for) bad behavior from bad cops. The blanket "we support all cops all the time regardless" is not helpful and needs to change. Bad cops need to be weeded out. Likewise, community leaders such as Al Sharpton cannot be supporting bad actors. They need to be more discerning with their support.
When you call Sharpton a leader you lose me. He is only interested in fomenting trouble and enriching himself.

Not to mention should have gone to jail some years ago for non payment of a substantial amount of taxes.

Kahiland 09-05-2020 06:12 AM
Would he still be worthy if he didn't marry or have children? Just curious.

Girlcopper 09-05-2020 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by camaguey48 (Post 1828272)
If you are stopped by the police for a traffic violation, do this:

1- Don't admit to anything.
2- Keep Your mouth shut. Don't argue. Obey his/her instructions and be respectful
3- Keep your hands on the wheel
4- Turn off the engine
5- If at night, turn the cabin lights on.
Go to court if you don't agree with the officer. It's better than going to jail.

How hard is that?
Exactly. And if this is so hard for you to understand, how about you ride with a police officer for one day and see what they go through. And I dont mean take a ride with them thru the Villages and the town square. How about you ride through downtown Ocala or any low income crime ridden area. Im sure you will be crying to get back to a safe area within 5 minutes. Dont judge unless you know what youre talking about. CNN isnt an accurate assessment of anything

Get real 09-05-2020 06:39 AM
Suppose a white man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job, gets married, and has a few children. He never breaks the law, never gets arrested, and is a good family man. One day, he is beaten by black thugs, just for fun, while they use racial slurs. They all have extensive criminal histories. The police track down the thugs but the animals are never charged with a hate crime. Who should he blame? The police officer because they are obviously racist? The thug animals because they are just misunderstood and expressing their first amendment rights and peacefully protesting "something"? The racist "system" because blacks are given a pass from hate crimes? But, how about placing at least some of the blame on the disproportionate number of dirty politicians who pander to criminals and are hypocrites. Sorry liberals...it is true,

Dilligas 09-05-2020 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1828314)
Exactly. And if this is so hard for you to understand, how about you ride with a police officer for one day and see what they go through. And I dont mean take a ride with them thru the Villages and the town square. How about you ride through downtown Ocala or any low income crime ridden area. Im sure you will be crying to get back to a safe area within 5 minutes. Dont judge unless you know what youre talking about. CNN isnt an accurate assessment of anything
Watch LivePD on A&E Friday’s and Saturday’s at 9 PM. They have Live cameraman riders with police patrols across the country. You will see what a cop has to go through with all kinds of people from domestic arguments to hard and dangerous criminals. This is not scripted nor staged. You will have tremendously more respect for the police.

Biggles 09-05-2020 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1828189)
Suppose a black man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job, gets married, and has a few children. He never breaks the law, never gets arrested, and is a good family man. One day, he is pulled over by a white police officer and is not treated in the same way that the police officer would normally treat a white man. But, the black man obeys the police, shows his valid license and registration, and is eventually released, even though he feels like he should have been treated with more respect. Who should he blame? The police officer because he is obviously a racist? Maybe. But, how about placing at least some of the blame on the disproportionate number of black men who did not follow the same law abiding course in life, and had some influence on the police officer's perception about life. Police officers are supposed to follow a standard procedure, but they are only human.
Very well stated, that's all it takes. Especially true the first couple of sentences and the last few sentences. Regardless of skin color just comply no big deal! Not all police officers are racist and looking to confront or make trouble for anyone, just doing what they are there for and I thank them for it!

LoisR 09-05-2020 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1828189)
Suppose a black man grows up in a good family, gets a good education, gets a good job, gets married, and has a few children. He never breaks the law, never gets arrested, and is a good family man. One day, he is pulled over by a white police officer and is not treated in the same way that the police officer would normally treat a white man. But, the black man obeys the police, shows his valid license and registration, and is eventually released, even though he feels like he should have been treated with more respect. Who should he blame? The police officer because he is obviously a racist? Maybe. But, how about placing at least some of the blame on the disproportionate number of black men who did not follow the same law abiding course in life, and had some influence on the police officer's perception about life. Police officers are supposed to follow a standard procedure, but they are only human.
"Only human" is not an excuse for a police officer being a rascist. Perhaps more education than a hs diploma, more than several months of police academy training, and better background and family checks to weed out a rascist upbringing, will allow better decisions to be made by the police.

rlcooper70 09-05-2020 06:54 AM
Police are Human Beings
 
Your headline is perfect ... and then you explain why the police are justified in their treating blacks and whites differently.

My friend's dark skinned son drives his Mercedes through Washington DC and gets pulled over every two to three blocks ... and you are saying "understandable"?

You excuse the actions .... and explain the actions .... how do you feel about it?

Two Bills 09-05-2020 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 1828343)
Your headline is perfect ... and then you explain why the police are justified in their treating blacks and whites differently.

My friend's dark skinned son drives his Mercedes through Washington DC and gets pulled over every two to three blocks ... and you are saying "understandable"?

You excuse the actions .... and explain the actions .... how do you feel about it?
No exaggeration there then!


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