I disagree that the police officer is racist. Nothing of what you stated illustrates that the officer thinks he is superior to the black man in any way. The officer IS prejudiced. He has pre-judged the situation because of his past experience. One can be prejudiced without being racist. Word definitions matter. :icon_wink:

Those who cry "discrimination" promote being discriminated!!

You are full of WHITE GUILT guilt and a total lack of knowlege concerning the police and the job they need to perform for a society that has produced a large number of very troubled people and they come in all shades of color. Training and experince teaches the young Police Officer to be leary of everyone and be on guard when dealing with anyone. Human nature teaches us that an area well known to be a high crime area will present more frequency of dangerous situations then a non high crime area.

I have taught young PO, on the street and in the PA, that have taken their way of acting from TV shows and movies. Those are not good examples for the most part to base the way you handle people. I agree that any approach to a car stop or any contact an Officer starts off in a resonable manner. You assume that they don't. Escalations caused by the subjects actions creates escalation from the PO. The Marcus of Queensbury are not in play in these situations. When an incident progresses from verbal to physical, resisting arrest, then the Officer uses force to overcome the that resistance. Many times PO's have been killed or seriously injured in situations that start off calmly and end up violently because their is so much not know about the subject, they are strangers to each other. The subject knows that he he/she is dealing with the police. The PO sometimes doesn't know who or what he is dealing with and some times has information that someone answering a describtion that committed some crime that spurred him to question the subject. Getting complicated isn't it? Basically you resist, force to overcome resisitance is needed, you use your fists PO uses his nightstick, you use a weapon that could cause serious physical injury OR death then you will likely be shot. In most if not all the current shootings their was prior knowledge by the PO that a crime was commited or a warrant was issued by court. Resistance followed and we are where we are today. Blaming WHITE PRIVILEGE

If someone actually thinks cops are given special rights and protections , one has to wonder if that person is living under a rock and the gaslighting has been successful on them . Haven’t we seen over the course since George Floyd’s death
daily rioting, people getting in the faces and using profanity , throwing objects at the police , who are there to restore order and protect property and the livelihoods of innocent people who are black , white ,
Hispanic and Asian . Now we see police under attack by their own mayors in large cities around our nation . The police do not determine who they protect by the color of their skin . Isn’t the images of looters
have an effect on how we view them , ourselves? More police are killed
in the line of duty than police killing civilians. But some people are trying to make us by into their agenda . Im offended

Amen! Is it possible that black children are raised to fear every police officer? Is it possible that because if this indoctrination that the blacks do not abide by the police officers command to stop and follow his instructions? Is it possible that because of this that blacks are shot because they did not follow the rules? It’s time that blacks take some responsibility in this situation. Stop telling your children to run from the police and rather teach them to obey police instruction. This would make a whole lot of difference in life and death situations.

You are, of course, exactly right, but this is the villages, home to 100k+ white privileged (don’t read rich or hard working) elders. I was taught to respect authority, although the 60s did influence that. Police, like most, are very fine individuals. Unfortunately, most now come from brief stints in the military with combat training. Many have a desire to wear a uniform, shoot a gun and feel more superior than their position warrants. This attitude is encouraged by training and culture (the blue line).

We are racists. Some more than others, but racist nonetheless. Just a few days ago, a mentor at the charter school was walking around the school waiting for her student to be let out. Sure enough, the police showed up demanding to know her reason for being there.

A few years ago, my Johns Hopkins educated son-in-law, a world class triathlete, was training in our village. A neighbor warned me noting that he had called the SCSO asking for increased patrols. Oh yes, my son-in-law’s family hails from Barbados and thus is dark skinned.

If all you watched were Fox News, you would believe there is only rioting and looting. The truth is almost all local demonstrators are peaceful. Those few agitators should obviously be the subject of police action, but repeatedly the law and order mentality, with all the training and firepower takes over.

Finally, the tragic death of a black man just released from the hospital naked on the streets was not treated like the mentally disturbed person he was but like some wild, vicious animal. Despite having been subdued and handcuffed, he was hooded, his head pressed against the pavement. It is exactly for these interactions that the poorly named Defund Police movement is designed to address. Trained social workers rather than trained police would have gandered this encounter differently.

Let’s support law enforcement while not tolerating police abuse of power. We can do both.

Has anyone ever been killed for NOT resisting the police? Asking for a friend

None known, but I'm sure somebody can create this hate.

Why was he pulled over? Was his crime "driving while Black." NO ONE should be pulled over and stopped by the police without a valid reason. I will not accept that he should be pulled over because of the number of crimes committed by Black people. Whites probably commit as many crimes, they just get away with it. Whites can afford more expensive lawyers; commit white collar crimes, about which we don't always hear; and people don't call the police because a white person walks past their house after dark, as they might if that same person were Black. There are many dedicated wonderful police officers; however, there seems to be a lack of sensitivity, and there appears to be actin of racism by some officers.

Thugs
 

Please stop using the FoxNews dog whistle terms like "thugs" and "animals", it doesn't help make your case it only makes the reader understand that you're a Tucker Carlton viewer and probably hold racist beliefs. Do some research on "sundown" and Jim crow laws. Sundown laws were enacted in small cities/towns throughout the country to keep African American out, it you were black and caught in the city or town you where either lynched or arrested and then forced to work city projects until your debt was paid off, which typically included additional costs for your room and board and meals in jail, which only extended your forced labor. These African Americans where killed or forced to work only because they were caught in city/town limits after sundown. While I'm sure that many of "Nice" people in the Villages are thinking, "well maybe we should go back to them laws, and Make America Great Again!" I can assure you we are not!

Get your head out of Fox News and watch a movie like Hidden Figures.

So glad you brought this point up. This happens every day in cities throughout the U.S.. My adopted mix raced son, who attended the best private schools and a well known private University was continually pulled over in his teens, and when they could find nothing, was given tickets for not having a bag for trash in his vehicle. This was always thrown out in court, but we could add up over 32 tickets for this, this was after he was asked to get out of the car, the car searched and nothing found. He was pulled over for being a minority driving a BMW, no other reason. He was always respectful, but also always felt humiliated. He is now a CFO of a tech company and continues to be pulled over a few times a month, nothing found and "let go". Really, this needs to end.

Wow, this thread shows just how white this area is. Sad.

1: Cop asks "do you know how fast you were going?"
2: Keep your mouth shut.
2: Cop says "Answer me!" obey the orders of the police.
2: Keep your mouth shut.
You are about to turn the cabin light on when the cop says "put your hands on the wheel!" So you can just forget about #5.


If you say "I don't know how fast I was going, officer." you will be accused of distracted driving (since you should've been paying attention). If you admit to speeding, you will be admitting that you violated the law, and that you knew you were violating it. If you say you were going under the speed limit (or at it) you will be arguing with the police, who pulled you over for speeding.

Since when do the rules have to be different for black people than it is for white people? Answer: since black people are held to different standards. As a white person I know I can say "I don't know how fast I was going Officer, but I definitely wasn't going faster than the guy ahead of me in the white volvo." And I won't get arrested, or threatened for being argumentative, or anything of the sort. I also know if I'm black and say the same thing, they're more likely to look for something wrong with the car so they can tack on more violations.

That is how it is.

Sorry can't believe he gets pulled over every two or three blocks

May I extrapolate from this statement that the same thing would have been said to and about the suffragettes, 100 years ago?

Sincerely,
Susan B. Boomer

BTW, re: several posts here: Has anyone here ever seen 'Wag the Dog'?

His getting pulled over is based on probabilities and I don't blame the police.

"Sad" because folks are white? Is that supposed to make folks feel guilty? Why? What is wrong with being white, black, red or yellow?
NO! One should only feel guilty for how they treat someone, not what they look like and how someone else perceives them. One is not guilty of being a racist, based only on their color.

Gets stopped every two or three blocks? There aren't that many cops in DC. Your credibility just went to zero.

Some white cops are pricks has nothing to do with race
Being a cops a tough job a life and death job very high stress and generally they deal with the dregs of society criminals.
Blacks also been conditioned to believe their victims by media and politicians, this doesn’t help.
Believing you’re a victim means nothing is ever your fault for your poor decisions.
It allows everything to be blamed on racism, when it’s not.
Blaming everything on racism Is very addictive like a drug.

But what id the police officer was also black?

Black police stop black people also. Are they racist? No. So why make it all about race when a white police officer stops a black person. If you're stopped for any reason, just comply with the officer. It's called respect. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to act beliggerent. If you do have something to hide, own up to it and don't escalate the situation.

Totally agree. One can only go by statistics in a situation like this, police officer or not. When the statistics change, so will public opinion and perception. It’s a shame, buts it’s true. Decent blacks are paying the price for the statistics created by their own. I hope I live to see it change. There are plenty of wonderful, salt of the earth blacks paying the price for the actions of their own.

well said!

Get the facts then make a decision: Remember Brianna Taylor..
 

She lived with a dealer, kept money and goods for him. He even called her from jail to ask for the money she held, to get him out on bond. The police acted on the house being STILL USED for drug business. I am not saying that all cop shootings are good or bad.. but they go on the evidence they have. This girl was NOT an angel, nor was floyd.

Some white cops are pricks has nothing to do with race : Some white cops are racists and their behavior has everything to do with race

Being a cops a tough job a life and death job very high stress and generally they deal with the dregs of society criminals. - Being Black in America is tough, constantly being viewed as a criminal, thug, or animal, hard to get a decent job because of systemic racism, people think you're lazy, on drugs, welfare queen, its very high stress being black, being black can be a death sentence

Blacks also been conditioned to believe their victims by media and politicians, this doesn’t help. Police have been conditioned by the media and politicians to believe that all Americans think all Police are racists when people know that the number of racist police is low but exists nevertheless

Believing you’re a victim means nothing is ever your fault for your poor decisions. Whether your black, white, police, or just taking a jog

It allows everything to be blamed on racism, when it’s not. Whether your black, white, police, or just taking a jog

Blaming everything on racism Is very addictive like a drug. Whether your black, white, police, or just taking a jog

i have a beard, i'm a male, white, and i get pulled over because i look suspicious. I did not commit any crimes. Blacks commit 70% of all crimes, just figure the odds. There is a 70% chance you might have stopped someone that commited a crime??

I think we'd all love to see your source for the statistic you just stated that blacks commit 70% of all crimes.

No, the posted stat doesn't work that way. For your statement to be true......70% of blacks would have to be criminals.

I am a white man and never been arrested driving a nice car and got pulled over and 3 cop cars pulled up all pulled guns on my. I found out later that I looked like a guy they were looking for. So I don’t see racism every time a black person is stopped

Add to that: Some police officers act as judge, jury, AND executioner. We have recently witnessed instances of this; imagine what we have NOT been witness to. I DO have respect for men & women in blue...when they are doing their jobs as they were trained. However, the "bad apples" are tarnishing their ranks. The "blue wall of silence" must come down. As we teach our children, "If you see something, say something."

OK, all well and good about the "disproportional" amount of Black crime. I will concede that as a beginning thesis. Now, I want to take the problem back - back to 1965 when LBJ did civil rights but had to stop SHORT of integrating ALL new residential communities - back to Jim Crow - back in History 400 years to the 1st Black slave brought here.

....Pretend, as a thought experiment, that Blacks had colonized the US before the White got here. Just forgetting about Native American rights for this experiment. Then the Blacks brought in UNEDUCATED and culturally unsophisticated White SLAVES, that remained 15 or so % of the US population. Then, the Whites would be more imprisoned and hurt by the Judicial system. Whites would be systemically racially prejudiced against. You need to imagine that Brave New World in order to relate to the Reality that Blacks are faced with every day. You need to go BACK to the original WHY things are this way for your answer. It is just LUCKY to be born WHITE. It is no great accomplishment and not to be bragged about!

Very well said and hitting the point right on!

Well done post!

How do you know he was not treated as well as a white man? Generalities are not much to discuss.

Very thoughtful. Kudos!

Thank you for your service. Hang in there - Abe Lincoln said that you can NOT fool ALL of the people All of the time. sorry to repeat the obvious - but if not NOW, then when.
......as some great past Chinese Philosophy once said, " and THIS too shall PASS".

No excuses. One puts on the uniform, assumes the responsibility and mist live up to it, or get out of the job. Substandard performance is not tolerable under any circumstance. End of discussion.

I agree, you know when you join the military they make you strip down and show all your tattoos, if you have any offensive tattoos Nazi symbols etc... They reject you or make you get the tattoo removed. They should do the same for all police officers.

So reading bunch of books and passing test makes difference? I can read about dipstick‘S, pass test about dis-stick. But can’t fine it under the hood, let alone know how to properly check and read it. That comes from skill not from readiing about it.