[mtdjed]

There is much discussion regarding US Post Office funding to support this falls mail in voting. This issue is a huge Red Herring as there is no way funding at this time could create a new system that would have any meaningful value at this late date. To create such a system a design is required. People would need to be hired and trained. That would take more time than is available. Let alone, design, prototype, tests, instructions, contracts, delivery, etc.
Anyone having any experience with US Government projects is well aware of these issues.

Tying US Postal funding (for 2020 voting improvements) to a Coronavirus relief bill makes no sense.

[rjm1cc]

You are correct. I think the problem is that the dates some states used are not long enough. I think one state (might be NY) said you could request a ballot up to 4 days before the election. So on day 4 I put my request in the mail box early in the day. Picked up by PO and sorted on the night shift. On day 3 gets delivered to elections officials in the afternoon. Assuming they are not busy???? gets processed and goes out in day 2's mail and I get it on day 1. Now I have to vote and it will get back to them after the election date. Some states allow up to 2 days. At any rate for on 1 million dollars I will consult with them and suggest that they move the dates back a week or two so THEY and the PO has time to process. Maybe I should get a bonus of another million for savings all those billions.

[Bucco]

However,

“It was the White House that intervened in March, nixing a bipartisan plan to provide $13 billion to the Postal Service. And administration officials have made it clear that they will not sign off on any financial support — either in the form of a loan or direct funding — unless the Postal Service agrees to rate increases, labor concessions and other changes that would shrink the agency’s footprint, potentially saving money and benefiting private competitors like FedEx and UPS.”

“Now, the fight over the future of the Postal Service has spilled onto the campaign trail, increasingly freighted by deeply held disagreements about labor rights, the role of government versus private enterprise in providing basic services, and voting access.”

Now, being used against voting.

Always been a battle, but never so malicious, mean spirited and frankly in American.

So, there was time, and now we have what was, in my opinion, always part of the plan....upset the election....have reasons, etc.

This from the spring

David Williams, a member of the USPS Board of Governors, told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee last March that he could “think of no way” that the task force’s central recommendation — rolling back the ability of postal unions to collectively bargain for compensation — would address the agency’s financial problems.

White House dusts off USPS reform plan to save $97B in 11 years | Federal News Network

“The administration released that proposal in June 2018 as part of a larger government reorganization plan, but received bipartisan pushback from Congress less than a week later.”

[Marvic 1]

The Post Office could use the money for other reasons but not from money allocated to the pandemic crisis.
Covid-19 pandemic is the NEW excuse for "Mail in Voting", mail in voting has been pushed even before this virus existed.
Keep the system the way its been for centuries, physical attended voting...

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

The Post Office could use the money for other reasons but not from money allocated to the pandemic crisis.
Covid-19 pandemic is the NEW excuse for "Mail in Voting", mail in voting has been pushed even before this virus existed.
Keep the system the way its been for centuries, physical attended voting...

Why ?

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by Marvic 1

The Post Office could use the money for other reasons but not from money allocated to the pandemic crisis.
Covid-19 pandemic is the NEW excuse for "Mail in Voting", mail in voting has been pushed even before this virus existed.
Keep the system the way its been for centuries, physical attended voting...

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gee whiz, I don't believe the old system will work in today's world. I mean if we don't flood the country with mail-in voting forms...How will the dead people, pets, illegals, folks on deathbeds - with others voting for them, etc etc VOTE? not fair to any of them....

Opinion | Why Vote-by-Mail Could be a Legal Nightmare in November - POLITICO
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[tvbound]

Absentee voting has been successfully occurring since the Civil War, with an extremely small amount of any fraud ever found and the USPS delivers about 1.3 billion Christmas cards every year. With Covid being so rampant, it only makes sense that people not be forced to stand in line for hours and hours to vote. So where's the problem?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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gee whiz, I don't believe the old system will work in today's world. I mean if we don't flood the country with mail-in voting forms...How will the dead people, pets, illegals, folks on deathbeds - with others voting for them, etc etc VOTE? not fair to any of them....

Opinion | Why Vote-by-Mail Could be a Legal Nightmare in November - POLITICO
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With mail in voting can we still vote early and often?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Absentee voting has been successfully occurring since the Civil War, with an extremely small amount of any fraud ever found and the USPS delivers about 1.3 billion Christmas cards every year. With Covid being so rampant, it only makes sense that people not be forced to stand in line for hours and hours to vote. So where's the problem?

Your mixing up the issues. No one contests absentee voting where you have to request a ballot and then can mail it back. The problem is with random mailing of ballots to addresses where they think people may live. Going on that basis, our household could potentially vote for six different people along with our own. Terrible plan from the get-go.

[Gizemo33]

I have a question, how do I post a new thread on this newsletter. Can somebody please explain simply how I post a new subject. I thank you in advance.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Your mixing up the issues. No one contests absentee voting where you have to request a ballot and then can mail it back. The problem is with random mailing of ballots to addresses where they think people may live. Going on that basis, our household could potentially vote for six different people along with our own. Terrible plan from the get-go.

There's a lot of misinformation (and outright lies) going around these days and you've mentioned a couple of them. First of all, only registered voters get actual ballots, even in those few states where you don't have to request them first. Secondly, every state already has internal protocols to ensure that the ballot is coming from a registered voter, or it gets put off into its own pile and not counted. I think it would be a good idea if everyone were to do a lot of their own research, instead of depending on what anyone tells them, regardless of who that person, or persons, may be.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Absentee voting has been successfully occurring since the Civil War, with an extremely small amount of any fraud ever found and the USPS delivers about 1.3 billion Christmas cards every year. With Covid being so rampant, it only makes sense that people not be forced to stand in line for hours and hours to vote. So where's the problem?

The PROBLEM is the definition of BOTH -

Absentee vote is ACTIVE - must request a ballot and prove who you are.

Universal Mail-in - PASSIVE. Potentially everyone legal age to vote can be mailed a ballot.

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[Aces4]

Originally Posted by tvbound

There's a lot of misinformation (and outright lies) going around these days and you've mentioned a couple of them. First of all, only registered voters get actual ballots, even in those few states where you don't have to request them first. Secondly, every state already has internal protocols to ensure that the ballot is coming from a registered voter, or it gets put off into its own pile and not counted. I think it would be a good idea if everyone were to do a lot of their own research, instead of depending on what anyone tells them, regardless of who that person, or persons, may be.

I base my report on incorrect mail deliveries to our address in a smaller community. Who will double check that potential error which is magnified in larger communities. It’s wise to think outside the narrow box of nothing can go wrong. That is only one issue which doesn’t address ballot harvesting.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Why ?

One legal vote per person is why. No errors for this critical election no matter who wins and it preserves the integrity of our system with the results immediately announced, not months/ years later. Anyone can request an Absentee ballot as a registered voter.

[Hoosierb4]

Originally Posted by rjm1cc

You are correct. I think the problem is that the dates some states used are not long enough. I think one state (might be NY) said you could request a ballot up to 4 days before the election. So on day 4 I put my request in the mail box early in the day. Picked up by PO and sorted on the night shift. On day 3 gets delivered to elections officials in the afternoon. Assuming they are not busy???? gets processed and goes out in day 2's mail and I get it on day 1. Now I have to vote and it will get back to them after the election date. Some states allow up to 2 days. At any rate for on 1 million dollars I will consult with them and suggest that they move the dates back a week or two so THEY and the PO has time to process. Maybe I should get a bonus of another million for savings all those billions.

I agree that 4 days is too short a time. It should be changed to a week or more. But, I disagree with the idea (opening post on this thread) that it's too late now to add funding to get it done. Overtime, temporary workers, and other things are bound to help get the mail moving.