Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1945778)

rather than repost again and again, here is the thread....

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1927932)

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Nobody getting the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is a test subject of any kind. These are not experimental vaccines in any way.

Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1946812)

None of the vaccines currently available are approved for full use, ALL are Emergency Use only. Sooo... studies and trials.....still no APPROVED vaccines w same technology for c19 are on the market, right?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1946954)

Pfizer has applied for full FDA approval and Moderna will be applying later this month. Full FDA approval for mRNA vaccines is coming. You will need a new concern to voice.

Covid vaccines: What full FDA approval means for you

Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1947200)

People who think the mRNA used in the COVID vaccine is capable of altering their DNA are candidates for that vaccine. (They need their DNA altered.)

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1928252)

Trusting Big Pharma is like trusting the government

Can’t believe either one of them

Originally Posted by cafw1 (Post 1928253)

I had my 2 vaccines but I truly believe that it's longitudinal studies over 10, 20 or 30 yrs that tell the true story of what vaccines or environmental factors really do to our bodies.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1927980)

Preclinical work on therapeutic mRNA goes back at least to 1990, 20 years ago...

Want to Know More About mRNA Before Your COVID Jab? | MedPage Today

Never Been Done Before?

While an mRNA vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.

mRNA can target tumor-associated antigens expressed mainly by cancerous cells, like certain growth factors. These vaccines have been tested in a range of cancers, including acute myeloid leukemia, multiple myeloma, glioblastoma, melanoma, prostate cancer, and others.

Why Did Earlier Vaccines Stall?

"A major factor is that there's not a sense of urgency," Dennis Burton, PhD, of Scripps Translational Research Clinic in La Jolla, California, told MedPage Today.

Zika has been relatively contained; rabies vaccines are already sufficiently effective; and influenza remains a difficult target, Burton said.

...based on the sheer number of people who will be vaccinated for COVID-19, events will occur, and most will likely be unrelated to the vaccine.

"One of the things we're most concerned about is that people won't get vaccinated," he said. "But the risks of this disease are going to be way higher than the risks associated with vaccination."

“Clinical trials for 75,000 people show it’s safe and it’s 95 percent effective,” Dr. Weissman said. “That’s pretty good data to convince people that it is OK.”
While mRNA is a new technology, experts have been working on it for years.

“It’s not just as though these technologies were just starting to be developed during the pandemic,” Dr. Moss said. “There has been a lot of preparatory work.”


This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online, including work with Facebook to identify and reduce the circulation of false stories on the platform.

Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1928318)

The statement above ... no matter who is making it ... is what I reject. It is stated as if it is fact but it is not. With a 99.97% chance of NOT DYING from COVID, I personally judge the risk of the shot (not a vaccine) to be higher than just waiting my turn to be exposed to the virus.

The shot (not a vaccine) does not prevent infection; it only (possibly) protects from getting sick after infection. Everyone, everywhere will be exposed / infected at some time, somewhere. I choose to trust my unaltered immune system. And it is my choice.

You get to make your choice about who you believe and trust. Good luck.

Originally Posted by glsatterlee (Post 1928346)

I agree? And why has 50% of the first responders decided not to be vaccinated. I have had the Covid already, and I have the antibodies in my blood to fight the Covid. I give blood, and they would like for me to give even more.

Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 1928369)

The trouble is I don't believe the numbers because almost everybody that died in 2020 was blamed on covid. The news has been full of families that had to take legal action on cause of death to collect insurance. Hospitals are rewarded monetarily for covid deaths but not any other cause. In my opinion and it's only my opinion I would bet only 50 to 60 percent were strictly from covid (I think that is being generous) the rest had serious other health issues or were so old that any minor illness would have killed them, or both. Just my opinion and as an American who hasn't had my free speech taken away yet I choose to express it.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1928482)

Trump was interviewed by Maria Bartiromo and (I heard it myself) he confirmed that he and Melania were both vaccinated. They just did not do it publicly which is an absolute shame. I cannot express my disappointment in both of them enough for being vaccinated secretly. That was a bad decision on his part not to have the cameras capture the vaccination event. Same goes for our governor. I'm very disappointed in him too.

Originally Posted by pittta (Post 1928541)

Moderna chief medical officer who I supposed knows better than you has a different opinion
Pls read his opinion here

Bombshell: Moderna Chief Medical Officer Admits mRNA Alters DNA - The Washington Standard

Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 1928706)

Speaking about Big Pharma, isn't covid a souped up cold virus and hasn't big Pharma said for decades there is no cure for the common cold? I would like to know them how suddenly in less than a year they have developed not one but three vaccines that prevent covid? Has anyone who's had the vaccine gotten a cold since being vaccinated? I would be interested in that stat.

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1947220)

What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1947252)

That IS difficult to believe.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1947221)

If someone is STILL calling it the "Chinese Virus", they are probably devouring propaganda and ignoring logic and medical science.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1947215)

The reward / risk for getting the vaccine was greater than taking a chance on getting CV. CV has documented "long haul" problems. The vaccines do not.

Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1947128)

How will the FDA justify full approval though? I mean, on average it takes 5 - 10 years to get a vaccine approved, but they'll approve this one in a year? Even before any short-term effects are truly known. Will the FDA do that to Americans? Either way, there currently are no fully-approved c19 vaxs on the market, correct? AND that was the point of my post, pointing out that what was said was terribly inaccurate, all the c19 vaxs ARE experimental.

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1947220)

What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947306)

They provided the ground work for the vaccine development and allowed the scientists to develop a very safe vaccine for humans.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1947266)

None of what the original topic of this post is very accurate....Human trials for RNA VaX? Don't think so..not on this planet.

All of the Media have tried to make this well respected scientist..(more so than Fauci the hack) into some kind of kook.....Got news for you all...he is spot on and is the ex Vice President of Pfizer and went of and created his own biotech firm......I have not trusted the media and the phony fact checkers for a long time now...it all spin...Take a look at the real facts and not positive conspiracy theories. Dr Michael Yeadon - An Urgent Warning To The World

This is a must see!!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947311)

This is NOT a must see. Dr. Michael Yeadon is not credible. Read all about him here....
The ex-Pfizer scientist who became an anti-vax hero.

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1947307)

You don't know that yet! Nobody knows that yet!

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1947315)

It is a must see..........let people decide for themselves

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947316)

We have been told repeatedly by experts the mRNA vaccines are safe. I believe them. The Pfizer mRNA vaccine has emergency authorization for children and Moderna is not far behind for their EA. I believe these vaccines are safe otherwise how could they have been approved for children? They are testing infants for these vaccines. Yes, I believe the experts and scientists that these mRNA vaccines are safe. They certainly know more than I do and they have assured us all these vaccines are safe.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947318)

Even Dr. Yeadon's ex-colleagues said they "do not recognize him anymore". He is NOT credible. I could use other stronger verbiage but I will refrain.

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1947319)

You "believe" and you "trust"......good for you......there are a lot of "us" that don't.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947316)

We have been told repeatedly by experts the mRNA vaccines are safe. I believe them. The Pfizer mRNA vaccine has emergency authorization for children and Moderna is not far behind for their EA. I believe these vaccines are safe otherwise how could they have been approved for children? They are testing infants for these vaccines. Yes, I believe the experts and scientists that these mRNA vaccines are safe. They certainly know more than I do and they have assured us all these vaccines are safe.

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1947220)

What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1947220)

What they didn’t tell you was the trial on animals failed miserably. The animals died. They wouldn’t publish this info. Ya gotta do some digging to find out the truth.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1947329)

Unless they have the ability to see into the future, they absolutely don’t “know” that the mRNA vaccines are safe long term. They certainly appear to be safe short term. It’s the long term unknown that I have an issue with. These are the first mRNA vaccines approved for use in humans. There have been NO studies of the long term safety of these vaccines...

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947326)

Conspiracy theorists don't believe the scientists and experts either so there is that.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947336)

I certainly understand what you are saying. I have read plenty about how these mRNA vaccines work. That fact that the messenger is excreted by the body very rapidly and leaves no lasting evidence of its existence in the body is why I feel there is no reason to fear the safety of these vaccines in the future. If the damage was going to be done it would be done early on, not years or even months from now.

Given the fact that the messenger is excreted shortly after it has done its job, the rest is my opinion and it is what I have to feel safe with this mRNA vaccine for the future. My money is on the scientists and pharm developers that there is no possibility of issues in the future. I also feel comfort in knowing these vaccines have been developed with modern state of the art technology which was put to use on a vaccine that had its beginning stages of development 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1947344)

For your sake and for all the people I know who have been vaccinated, I truly hope that there are no long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. But personally, why should I take that risk when the odds of me dying from Covid are so infinitesimally small???

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1947345)

For your sake, I hope you continue to be lucky.