[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

For your sake, I hope you continue to be lucky.

It’s not luck, it’s statistical data. According to the CDC the odds of someone my age being hospitalized with Covid are 266.3 in 100,000, that’s .00267. Also according to the CDC 87% of those hospitalized were obese or overweight. I’m neither. That further lowers my odds to .00035. The CDC also said that the majority of those hospitalized had an average is 2.6 of the these pre existing conditions; diabetes, heart disease, lung disease or hypertension. Without those my odds drop to virtually zero. I’ll take those odds over an unproven vaccine technology.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Unless they have the ability to see into the future, they absolutely don’t “know” that the mRNA vaccines are safe long term. They certainly appear to be safe short term. It’s the long term unknown that I have an issue with. These are the first mRNA vaccines approved for use in humans. There have been NO studies of the long term safety of these vaccines...

Swoop, I had the same hesitancy as you and for the same reason. I ultimately got the jab after hours of research. As others have said, the platform for the vaccines is NOT new. It has been undergoing testing for many years. I could only find two reports that questioned the safety of the vaccines, and the credibility of the sources was far from ironclad, whereas there are hundreds of reports that attest to the safety of the vaccines.

I partly agree with the other poster who mentioned that the chances of the unvaccinated being hospitalized or dying from Covid are extremely low (but not as low as s/he cites). According to the sources that follow, including the esteemed Lancet, the unvaccinated have an approximately 80-90% chance of having mild symptoms or no symptoms. And that's IF they get infected - not everyone gets infected - far from it. Covid is contagious, for sure, but not nearly as contagious as we've been led to believe (in my opinion), otherwise every prison and military installation would be overrun with the disease. And since the vaccine confers a 95% likelihood of not dying or needing hospitalization, vaccination only upgrades one's chances of an uneventful outcome by 5-15%.

I also fell over to the other side in order to do my part to achieve herd immunity and also to free myself from worrying about my modest but real 10-20% chance of hospitalization or death IF I get infected. After all, I go to the squares often and nobody's wearing a mask there. And I go to restaurants and bars where you see the same thing. I always wondered, what's the point in requiring a mask as you enter and leave a restaurant or bar if you and everyone else in the building is not wearing a mask most of the time?

So I weighed the pros and cons and what finally put me over the other side was when I read that concert promoters might require audiences to be vaccinated! No way I'm going to be turned away from concerts after going through withdrawals from not attending any the last 14 months!

* Sources:

DEFINE_ME

Mild COVID-19 Symptoms: Timeline, Progression, Contagiousness


80% of Coronavirus Patients Have Mild Symptoms — Here's What They Are

Mild vs. moderate vs. severe Covid-19 symptoms: Here's what to expect - CNN

http://somatosphere.net/2020/mild-covid.html/

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...rvive-covid-19

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

You also

Thank you!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

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So I weighed the pros and cons and what finally put me over the other side was when I read that concert promoters might require audiences to be vaccinated! No way I'm going to be turned away from concerts after going through withdrawals from not attending any

So that's what did it for you...to each his own

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Swoop, I had the same hesitancy as you and for the same reason. I ultimately got the jab after hours of research. As others have said, the platform for the vaccines is NOT new. It has been undergoing testing for many years. I could only find two reports that questioned the safety of the vaccines, and the credibility of the sources was far from ironclad, whereas there are hundreds of reports that attest to the safety of the vaccines.

I also fell over to the other side in order to do my part to achieve herd immunity and also to free myself from worrying about my 10-20% chance of hospitalization or death IF I get infected. After all, I go to the squares often and nobody's wearing a mask there. And I go to restaurants and bars where you see the same thing. I always wondered, what's the point in requiring a mask as you enter and leave a restaurant or bar if you and everyone else in the building is not wearing a mask most of the time?

I partly agree with the other poster who mentioned that the chances of the unvaccinated being hospitalized or dying from Covid are extremely low (but not as low as s/he cites). According to the sources that follow, including the esteemed Lancet, the unvaccinated have an approximately 80-90% chance of having mild symptoms or no symptoms. And that's IF they get infected - not everyone gets infected - far from it. Covid is contagious, for sure, but not nearly as contagious as we've been led to believe (in my opinion), otherwise every prison and military installation would be overrun with the disease.

So I weighed the pros and cons and what finally put me over the other side was when I read that concert promoters might require audiences to be vaccinated! No way I'm going to be turned away from concerts after going through withdrawals from not attending any the last 14 months!

* Sources:

DEFINE_ME

Mild COVID-19 Symptoms: Timeline, Progression, Contagiousness


80% of Coronavirus Patients Have Mild Symptoms — Here's What They Are

Mild vs. moderate vs. severe Covid-19 symptoms: Here's what to expect - CNN

http://somatosphere.net/2020/mild-covid.html/

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...rvive-covid-19

I respect your decision as I’m sure you respect mine. Although they experimented with mRNA for many years, there are thousands of potential treatments that scientists experiment with. They never received approval for widespread use and they never performed any long term studies. If it means skipping a concert or a cruise for a year or two, I can live with that. Hopefully these vaccines will not have negative long term effects.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by stanley

You "believe" and you "trust"......good for you......there are a lot of "us" that don't.

There are a FEW of you that do not trust the vaccines that medical scientists have put their stamp of approval on. But, you, the few, will have a large negative influence on the "many" in the US. The few will play into the CV's hands (or tentacles) and allow it to mutate and spread when it could have been stopped. The few anti-vaccers will prevent the achievement of herd immunity which the MANY want so badly. The FEW anti-vaccers will almost guarantee that CV is around for several more years and we, the MANY, will be required to get several shots each year. And our Government (and your friends and taxpayers) will have to foot the bill. And the US will be further weakened by wedges in her society. And won't there be broad smiles on the faces of communist, fascist dictators around the world - who hate the US? I hope you unpatriotic anti-vaxxer junkies can live with yourselves for what you are doing!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There are a FEW of you that do not trust the vaccines that medical scientists have put their stamp of approval on. But, you, the few, will have a large negative influence on the "many" in the US. The few will play into the CV's hands (or tentacles) and allow it to mutate and spread when it could have been stopped. The few anti-vaccers will prevent the achievement of herd immunity which the MANY want so badly. The FEW anti-vaccers will almost guarantee that CV is around for several more years and we, the MANY, will be required to get several shots each year. And our Government (and your friends and taxpayers) will have to foot the bill. And the US will be further weakened by wedges in her society. And won't there be broad smiles on the faces of communist, fascist dictators around the world - who hate the US? I hope you unpatriotic anti-vaxxer junkies can live with yourselves for what you are doing!

Stop with the bull **** scare tactics.....it's not working

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Unless they have the ability to see into the future, they absolutely don’t “know” that the mRNA vaccines are safe long term. They certainly appear to be safe short term. It’s the long term unknown that I have an issue with. These are the first mRNA vaccines approved for use in humans. There have been NO studies of the long term safety of these vaccines...

Some folks grasp at the flimsiest of straws to TRY to justify their own opinions. Which would be OK with me if it were NOT for the fact that those opinions are dangerous to the health of the majority of US individuals. And it poses a threat to Democracy in US society! it is the serious matter of being on the WRONG side of History!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I did some digging to find the truth.

Covid-19 vaccine did not kill every animal it was tested on - Full Fact

Thanks for digging up the truth!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

For your sake and for all the people I know who have been vaccinated, I truly hope that there are no long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. But personally, why should I take that risk when the odds of me dying from Covid are so infinitesimally small???

There are many reasons. But the main one is NOT wanting to be responsible for the pain and DEATHS to your fellow human beings. For some important decisions, MATURE adults weigh not only their risks vs reward - but also, the risks to OTHERS in society. They take a whole of society approach. The future will NOT be very bright for a world where the Corona Virus WINS!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by stanley

Stop with the bull **** scare tactics.....it's not working

IMHO, that is not "bull$h!t scare tactics; just a truth many do not want to digest".

[stanley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

IMHO, that is not "bull$h!t scare tactics; just a truth many do not want to digest".

Well....ya know what they say about opinions......................

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I respect your decision as I’m sure you respect mine. Although they experimented with mRNA for many years, there are thousands of potential treatments that scientists experiment with. They never received approval for widespread use and they never performed any long term studies. If it means skipping a concert or a cruise for a year or two, I can live with that. Hopefully these vaccines will not have negative long term effects.

That's worrying about the cure - when you should be worrying about the Pandemic!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by stanley

Stop with the bull **** scare tactics.....it's not working

The CV Pandemic's scare tactics have worked for the majority of US citizens that chose the vaccines. Maybe the passenger pigeon and the DoDo bird SHOULD have been more afraid of "scare tactics"

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Some folks grasp at the flimsiest of straws to TRY to justify their own opinions. Which would be OK with me if it were NOT for the fact that those opinions are dangerous to the health of the majority of US individuals. And it poses a threat to Democracy in US society! it is the serious matter of being on the WRONG side of History!

Change my mind. Show me evidence that the mRNA vaccines are safe 2, 3, or 5 years down the road. Provide a study, a trial, something that indicates the long term effects. You appear willing to take a leap of faith. Interesting that 40% or more of Fauci’s group have opted not to participate in this vaccine trial...