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DAVES 11-20-2021 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ptmckiou (Post 2031572)
You would be assuming that only one side had AR-15’s. That wouldn’t be reality. Both sides always have access to guns, and thus the reason things can go sideways fast in argumentative situations. Vigilantism rarely harbors peace, but usually antagonizes the situation because uneducated (in law enforcement) hotheads seem to fuel/escalate situations, instead of de escalate situations (which usually takes training).

RE: Training
Am I the only one to wonder where were the police? Apparently close by as after the shooting he was WALKING to the police station.

JMintzer 11-20-2021 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2031790)
I support the right to own a gun. However the reality is you being able to fight an enemy on our own soil is not REALITY. Average age in the villages is 70. My knees, my back are both shot. You cannot LEGALLY own typical automatic combat weapons. You cannot for example own a 50 cal machine gun. Heck if you did own one the bullets are like $1.50 each. A tank, a canon, jets etc.

Should we ever be invaded by a FOREIGN ENEMY, they would likely not care about a bunch or 70 year olds in the Villages. A DOMESTIC ENEMY is far more likely.

Just picking nits, but yes, you most certainly CAN own a typical automatic combat weapon...

And the number of deer hunters in PA alone would be larger than all but a few country's standing armies... Now add Wisconsin, Michigan, etc, etc, etc and you have one of, if not the largest number of armed people in the world...

All it takes is the proper Tax Stamp and paperwork (plus loads of $$$). Feeding them, otoh, is quite expensive...

thevillages2013 11-20-2021 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ptmckiou (Post 2031572)
You would be assuming that only one side had AR-15’s. That wouldn’t be reality. Both sides always have access to guns, and thus the reason things can go sideways fast in argumentative situations. Vigilantism rarely harbors peace, but usually antagonizes the situation because uneducated (in law enforcement) hotheads seem to fuel/escalate situations, instead of de escalate situations (which usually takes training).

Not assuming anything. Kyle was a good shot

JMintzer 11-20-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2031806)
Let’s ask them why they were there?? Oh wait we can’t,, the were murdered!!!

Not according to the jury...

thevillages2013 11-20-2021 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2031862)
RE: Training
Am I the only one to wonder where were the police? Apparently close by as after the shooting he was WALKING to the police station.

The police station he went to first was boarded up in prep for the riots

JMintzer 11-20-2021 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2031808)
I have one question. If a 16 year old boy had not crossed state lines with an ASSAULT RIFLE and placed himself in a dangerous and volatile situation,,, would any of this happened???? NO! Kiel Rottenhouse was guilty as hell!!

Good thing that didn't happen... But you would have known that if you had actually watched the trial...

noslices1 11-20-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2031826)
Sounds like they nailed it! You have proven documented facts to dispute these??

You should have watched the trial, then maybe you would not post the trash that you did. Kyle was 17 years old, not 16. Your other statements came right from MSNBC. They are still saying he is guilty, even though a jury, after 25 hours of deliberation, has rendered a NOT GUILTY verdict.

Arguing with a fool will make me a fool also, so I’m done.

JMintzer 11-20-2021 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2031826)
Sounds like they nailed it! You have proven documented facts to dispute these??

Yes, actually watching the trial (which it is glaringly obvious you did not...)

Holpat39 11-20-2021 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2031821)
You may want to turn off Fox fake news and join the real world!

FACT: he was 16 when this happened!
FACT: he traveled from Illinois to Wisconsin!
FACT: he carried and AR-15 assault rifle.
FACT: he murdered two innocent people who thought he was an “active shooter”!

Know the facts before you respond and make yourself look,,,,, trumpy?

Your so called facts are wrong. You don't know the demographics of Antioch IL and Kenosha Wis. They border each other. Kyle's father lives in Kenosha. Kyle had every right to be in Kenosha as unfortunately the rioters also had the right to be in Kenosha since this is a free country and we all have the right to travel where we want without interference. The two killed were not innocent people. They were there to commit mayhem and destruction not to protect businesses or protest peacefully. Maybe you should have watched the trial from beginning to end before stating your untrue facts.

DAVES 11-20-2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2031692)
I would argue that they are not our "leaders", they are our "representatives" and our "public servants".

Some will argue about anything anything. THEY is a very large group. For the point what does it matter?

DAVES 11-20-2021 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky4840 (Post 2031697)
I'm sure Fox was unbiased, correct?

Fortunately we have choices. With it being so easy to do, record say CNN and watch FOX
on the same story.

JMintzer 11-20-2021 03:33 PM

Some interesting FACTS many people seem to want to ignore...

1: Kyle Rittenhouse had a ballistic vest (they called it "body armor" in the trial, but it's really just the same soft vest the police use)...

He was given the vest by the police when he did his police cadet program...

He gave said body armor to a friend, saying he didn't need it because he was leaving the car dealership to give medical aid. Now, why would someone give up their protection if they thought they were going out "looking for trouble"?

2: Yes, Kyle Rittenhouse did travel about 17 mile from Antioch to Kenosha. It's a trip he made almost daily, for his job as a lifeguard and to visit his father and several other relatives. It is less than the distance from TV to Ocala...

3: He did not bring a rifle of any kind with him. It was already in Kenosha, where it was bought, and stored at his friend's house...

It was legal for him, per state law, to carry said rifle. The prosecution never bothered to measure the rifle before charging him with a crime...

4: Gaige Grosskreutz traveled over 50 miles to attend the "mostly peaceful protest"... He DID bring his illegally carried handgun with him. Odd for someone just looking to be an EMT, no?

5: Rittenhouse did not "illegally drink" in a bar. Per state law, he was allowed to have said drink as long as he was with a parent or guardian (which he was)...

6: Zero, I repeat ZERO evidence was produced proving he was involved in ANY "white supremacy" groups. He voluntarily handed over his unlocked phone to the police, as well as access to his social media accounts...

Anyone who watched the trial would know these things. Anyone who depended on certain "news" outlets would not and would continue to parrot the lies they are still being told...

DAVES 11-20-2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2031734)
Ah, but we all know that he would not lie in court, especially if that lie was instrumental in getting a plea deal on his charge of carrying a pistol with an expired license. :shocked:

Lie in court, Reality people are told, trained by legal representatives how to SPIN their testimony. They are rarely prosecuted for lying You swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You can bet they will not allow you the time necessary to tell the whole truth.

You swear on the bible. Perhaps that had more meaning in the past. What you are stating is that if you lie you will be damned.

DAVES 11-20-2021 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2031747)
I disagree. The winners here are those who believe in law and order. I can guarantee you that those rioters are going to think twice the next time, if they think they have carte blanche to burn, loot and destroy.

Hopeful but doubtful. Historically at a hanging or a guillotining, pickpockets were very active.

kenoc7 11-20-2021 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 2031354)
I agree with not guilty on all counts. Prosecutor needs to be sanctioned for violating defendants rights and pointing a gun at the jury. Watched a lot of the testimony rather than getting media bias. Great day for 2a.

The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.

JMintzer 11-20-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 2031887)
The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

DAVES 11-20-2021 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2031810)
Everything you just posted is incorrect. You might want to learn some facts before making yourself look so...... incorrect.

For many OBVIOUSLY facts do not matter. They have a point of view and will select and spin reality to support their point of view.

Read the posts, people screaming kill the ................... and the same people screaming about vigilantly justice being wrong. They are simply blind to their conflicting opinion.

DAVES 11-20-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2031863)
Just picking nits, but yes, you most certainly CAN own a typical automatic combat weapon...

And the number of deer hunters in PA alone would be larger than all but a few country's standing armies... Now add Wisconsin, Michigan, etc, etc, etc and you have one of, if not the largest number of armed people in the world...

All it takes is the proper Tax Stamp and paperwork (plus loads of $$$). Feeding them, otoh, is quite expensive...

As you state nitpicking. Try to get a permit-fat chance. I need it for rabbit hunting?
I hear zombies are coming?

MDLNB 11-20-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2031793)
I know a gun loving woman who years ago here in the Villages heard a noise in her bedroom, grabbed her .38 and put a hole in her vacuum which had shifted its weight while in her bedroom's closet.

I do worry about our trigger finger happy gun culture.


GOOD SHOT!! Even I would probably miss hitting the culprit hiding in the closet....:1rotfl:

manaboutown 11-20-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tklloop (Post 2031831)
You stated a lot of your misinformation you believe in,,, but have not discredited any of the facts?? Was he 16?? Did he cross state lines?? did he carry and Assault rifle?? Did he put himself into a dangerous situation he wasn’t trained for?? You may want to wtch a REAL news outlet.

He was 17. His father lived in Kenosha. The business he was asked to defend was in Kenosha. He spent a lot of time there. Assault rifle? It was a semiautomatic AR-15. He knew how to use it and did so in self defense when attacked. He was viciously attacked by thugs with long violent criminal histories, one of whom had threatened to kill Kyle.

Watch the trial and a real news outlet like FOX, not the propaganda organs known as the MSM to get the facts.

manaboutown 11-20-2021 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 2031887)
The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.

The judge was fair and unbiased in every respect!

MDLNB 11-20-2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kenoc7 (Post 2031887)
The person that needed to be sanctioned was the biased and bigoted judge who allowed vigilantism to win.


Yes, I am so glad that occasionally we get a judge "biased" toward statutory law and real justice. Although, it would have been nice to see him throw the prosecutor out of his court over the violations of the law that the prosecutor perpetrated. But, it all worked out for the good guys in the end.

Curtisbwp 11-20-2021 05:19 PM

Outstanding

Carole clausen 11-20-2021 05:21 PM

Whites killing each other. Interesting twist.

Carole clausen 11-20-2021 05:24 PM

Whites killing whites. Interesting.

Number 10 GI 11-20-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2031790)
I support the right to own a gun. However the reality is you being able to fight an enemy on our own soil is not REALITY. Average age in the villages is 70. My knees, my back are both shot. You cannot LEGALLY own typical automatic combat weapons. You cannot for example own a 50 cal machine gun. Heck if you did own one the bullets are like $1.50 each. A tank, a canon, jets etc.

Should we ever be invaded by a FOREIGN ENEMY, they would likely not care about a bunch or 70 year olds in the Villages. A DOMESTIC ENEMY is far more likely.

You can purchase and own a fully automatic firearm, after you pay your fees for the extensive background checks and the license. Just have a lot of money because fully automatic firearms are extremely expensive as there is a limited number of them allowed by federal law. Yes you can own a 50 cal machine gun, just have a lot of discretionary money to lay out for it and the ammo. Actually the ammo is closer to $6.00 a round.

Number 10 GI 11-20-2021 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2031891)
As you state nitpicking. Try to get a permit-fat chance. I need it for rabbit hunting?
I hear zombies are coming?

As long as you have a clean police record and are not prohibited from owning a firearm due to mental problems you won't have a problem with obtaining a license to own an a machine gun. There is no requirement to prove why you need a machine gun any more than there is a requirement for you to justify owning a motor vehicle that will exceed 150 MPH. There are quite a few people with significant personal wealth to afford the purchase and feeding of a fully automatic firearm. Have you ever fired a machine gun? It is a hoot!! That's why people who can afford it buy them, they are fun.

I've done quite a bit of searching and have found only two instances where a legally owned machine gun was used in a shooting. One in 1988 by a Dayton, Ohio police officer who used one to kill an informant and one other alleged incident, also in Ohio, where is wasn't completely proven to be a legally owned machine gun. Information is sketchy on this incident.

NoMoSno 11-20-2021 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2031930)
As long as you have a clean police record and are not prohibited from owning a firearm due to mental problems you won't have a problem with obtaining a license to own an a machine gun. There is no requirement to prove why you need a machine gun any more than there is a requirement for you to justify owning a motor vehicle that will exceed 150 MPH. There are quite a few people with significant personal wealth to afford the purchase and feeding of a fully automatic firearm. Have you ever fired a machine gun? It is a hoot!! That's why people who can afford it buy them, they are fun.

I've done quite a bit of searching and have found only two instances where a legally owned machine gun was used in a shooting. One in 1988 by a Dayton, Ohio police officer who used one to kill an informant and one other alleged incident, also in Ohio, where is wasn't completely proven to be a legally owned machine gun. Information is sketchy on this incident.

Went here one year as a spectator.
Fun time, close by.
Machine Gun

Eg_cruz 11-20-2021 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pupiczech (Post 2031590)
he murdered two people. He should get the death penalty.

You speak of which you do not know

Go back and watch the trial not the MSM headlines

jimbomaybe 11-20-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2031811)
This statement is inaccurate from beginning to end. The FACTS came out in the trial. The MSM and some public figures smeared Kyle, omitted and buried essential information essentially misrepresenting the whole situation from start to finish. This continues for that matter. Is that where this nonsense came from?

good effort on your part but what can you say to people who confronted with facts , hit over the head with them do not respond,, facts will not matter

Number 10 GI 11-20-2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2031584)
I doubt that the federal government would pursue anything if they knew they'd end up looking foolish.

That is the only thing the federal government does well, looking foolish.

Moderator 11-20-2021 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2031940)
That is the only thing the federal government does well, looking foolish.

Okay, that's it. Thread closed.


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