[RICH1]

With the Russian military shortcomings exposed, would China show interest in acquiring Russian Oil directly. Pondering how the United States would react that aggression!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by RICH1

With the Russian military shortcomings exposed, would China show interest in acquiring Russian Oil directly. Pondering how the United States would react that aggression!

I would not call China getting oil from Russia aggression. Not in our best interests for sure but China is not exactly our best friend.

[tvbound]

The real test will come, if Russia decides to use tactical nukes in Ukraine. Will China, or the rest of the world for that matter, change their minds on the heretofore philosophy of MAD? I sure hope it never happens, but as Putin, the scumbag rat, becomes more cornered by continued military losses - who knows?

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by RICH1

With the Russian military shortcomings exposed, would China show interest in acquiring Russian Oil directly. Pondering how the United States would react that aggression!

We will probably get a better deal from China on petroleum than we're getting from the oil companies. Just to mention their billions of profits first quarter of 2022.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by RICH1

With the Russian military shortcomings exposed, would China show interest in acquiring Russian Oil directly. Pondering how the United States would react that aggression!

I don't understand this post at all. Sorry. I don't know what Russian military shortcomings you are referring to, other than the issue with them (Putin? underestimating Ukraine ability to resist). And how would that impact whether China would buy Russian oil? And why would we consider that an act of aggression? We have no treaty with China saying they have to obey our sanctions?

My brother called me yesterday, he is a VERY conservative individual, and asked me about the news he keeps hearing about how Russian will beat up in a confrontation because they have more Nukes. I stopped watching conservative Media a while back, so I didn't know what he was talking about. He watches NewsMax (or something like that) and said they are reporting Russian is more advanced than we are, and they have more nukes.

America has a very well prepare military. Yes, Russia MAY have more Nukes than we do, I think the estimates are 1500 compared to 900 (or something like that). But, it only takes about 25 or so getting through to destroy Russian, or to Destroy us. So, let's just say we both have a little more than over kill. A pentagon official said recently that they have been war gaming the Ukraine conflict and every senecio that involves nukes escalates to MAD, they have not found any path that does not lead to out mutual destruction. As a movie once said, there ONLY way to win is to not play.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I don't understand this post at all. Sorry. I don't know what Russian military shortcomings you are referring to, other than the issue with them (Putin? underestimating Ukraine ability to resist). And how would that impact whether China would buy Russian oil? And why would we consider that an act of aggression? We have no treaty with China saying they have to obey our sanctions?

My brother called me yesterday, he is a VERY conservative individual, and asked me about the news he keeps hearing about how Russian will beat up in a confrontation because they have more Nukes. I stopped watching conservative Media a while back, so I didn't know what he was talking about. He watches NewsMax (or something like that) and said they are reporting Russian is more advanced than we are, and they have more nukes.

America has a very well prepare military. Yes, Russia MAY have more Nukes than we do, I think the estimates are 1500 compared to 900 (or something like that). But, it only takes about 25 or so getting through to destroy Russian, or to Destroy us. So, let's just say we both have a little more than over kill. A pentagon official said recently that they have been war gaming the Ukraine conflict and every senecio that involves nukes escalates to MAD, they have not found any path that does not lead to out mutual destruction. As a movie once said, there ONLY way to win is to not play.

I stream TV get OAN, Newsmax, and Fox it seems they are very positive to Russia and if you want an off the wall freak info Wars all 4 are betting on Russia. The best example is Waffle House during the daylight hours there fine but the freaks do come on in the evening.

[RICH1]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I would not call China getting oil from Russia aggression. Not in our best interests for sure but China is not exactly our best friend.

If China moved on Russia , whose side would we take?

[davem4616]

China is out for China...period, The will do whatever is in their interest

None of us thought that Russia's military was the joke that it is...they are inept, which makes the nuke threat real

[egmcaninch]

Originally Posted by RICH1

With the Russian military shortcomings exposed, would China show interest in acquiring Russian Oil directly. Pondering how the United States would react that aggression!

#1 Open up our pipeline
#2 Encourage safe drilling
#3 lower our oil costs = lower all other costs
#4 Export as much as needed to our allies
#5 Stop opposing safe natural gas & oil within the allies

[Retiredsteve]

Originally Posted by egmcaninch

#1 Open up our pipeline
#2 Encourage safe drilling
#3 lower our oil costs = lower all other costs
#4 Export as much as needed to our allies
#5 Stop opposing safe natural gas & oil within the allies

#1 Which "our pipeline" are you refering to?
#2 God, I hope we do that all the time
#3 How do we "lower our oil costs" when "we" don't own the oil companies?
#4 How do we oppose safe natural gas & oil?

[Blackbird45]

China's main concern is China. If the oil is offered to them at a good price they will most likely start buying. When you get down to it every country does what is best for themselves. The U.S. for years has purchase things from somewhat unfriendly countries either because of the demand of the American people or simply because of price.

[Worldseries27]

If putin lets the nuclear genie out of the lamp he will have demonstrated a mind set capable of initiating a first strike vs anyone.
The war game scenarios will be dusted off and both china and the usa will start to bring their own preemptive nuclear decapitation strikes plans to the forefront. Let's hope there are some powerful people in russia who saw the movie, the dead zone.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Retiredsteve

#1 Which "our pipeline" are you refering to?
#2 God, I hope we do that all the time
#3 How do we "lower our oil costs" when "we" don't own the oil companies?
#4 How do we oppose safe natural gas & oil?

It is called the law of supply and demand. There have been several times the oil and the energy exploration sector had been devastated. I know since I have relatives in the business.

Oil was around $50 a barrel in Jan 2020. Then US policy changed and became hostile to new pipelines and oil exploration and drilling. So unsurprisingly oil prices climbed to over $90 pre Ukraine invasion. If you want lower prices and lower oil company profits, then drill baby drill.

I recommend you seek out alternative news sources. Oil Price Charts | Oilprice.com

[Luggage]

Here is another thought on using tactical nukes. While it is certainly possible and where she would do this. It would destroy about 15 to 20% of the world's production of grain. If they only used one or two bombs would probably destroyed $50,000 100,000 ukrainians but quite probably close to the same amount of Russian soldiers and caused massive radiation sickness do another quarter million people. We always talk about mad Mutual assured destruction oh, but I'm pretty sure the heads of state of the Free World would probably do nothing cuz they would not want to go to the Second Step afterwards. This is just one scenario. Of course we have at least six or a countries with atomic weapon tree in Europe alone and it would be certain repercussions depending on whether or not we did anything back so I sure would be worried that North Korea for a Muslim state would look at this as free will to do what they want with their weaponry also.
Further you going to have China deciding to attack Taiwan, if the US does very little more to protect the Ukraine..
...
What I would really like to see happen now over the next month, would be for most of the small non-aligned countries as well as some of the larger ones such as Canada, Mexico, Aruba, Brazil, South Africa, put together a large Force who actually go into Ukraine to help fight Russia.

Canada has about 50 fighter aircraft old but usable and about 80 leopard tanks so they could easily send over to the Ukraine right now. There are about four Muslim countries Saudi Arabia and Egypt could have huge stock piles of equipment. They are trying to sit it out but since we helped Kuwait I think all the favors must be pulled in at this time. No the u.s. do not have to provide soldiers since is probably 30 million soldiers available in all of these other countries. What I suggest is pretty scary I think when the first plane load of soldiers lands, putin will decide the war is unwinable and had enough death. After all that's what a really UN would be doing. Or a strong American president to bring together free countries to fight a dictator

[jbrown132]

Remember, Winston Churchill once said nations do not have friends only self interests.