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donassaid 09-19-2020 06:57 AM

But Democrats were incensed and threw a fit for years about Merrick Garland, insisting that a sitting President had that right. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenky it would be wrong and immoral. Such hypocrisy.

Bucco 09-19-2020 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by noslices1 (Post 1835205)
McConnell didn’t put through Merrick Garland’s nomination, because the majority in the Senate was Republican with a Democrat President making the nomination. With a Republican President and a Republican Senate it will happen. The rule only applies when the parties are different.

That is simply, and only a statement of McCconnell when needed...nothing more.

Bucco 09-19-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1835238)
But Democrats were incensed and threw a fit for years about Merrick Garland, insisting that a sitting President had that right. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenky it would be wsrong and immoral. Such hypocrisy.

It was ONE year, and for me, it was another embarrassment for our nation.

To disengage from our principles and constitutional meaning by inventing a rule on the fly is unamaerican, at best.

I was still a GOP activist at the time and was and still am embarrassed by the entire situation.

jbrown132 09-19-2020 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1835130)
"Senate Republicans have promised to try to fill the vacancy even in the waning days of his first term. The confirmation battle, in the middle of a pandemic and a presidential election, is sure to be titanic."

"In 2016, Senate Republicans refused to consider President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland, saying that holding hearings in the last year of a president’s term would deprive voters of a role in the process."

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"With the election less than two month away, McConnell said the Senate would act to fill the vacancy, even though he spent most of 2016 denying a confirmation hearing to President Barack Obama’s pick to fill a vacancy on the high court."

McConnell Vows Quick Vote on Trump Pick to Fill Ginsburg Seat

Remember, McConnell has always said that when you have a President of one party and the Senate controlled by the other party then the voters should participate in that decision. However, if the President and the Senate are of the same party then the voters have already made that decision. Regarding RGB I admired her and her tenacity but lost some respect for her when she let her political bias show through which a Supreme Court Justice should never do. Great Justices will many times write opinions contrary to their personal biases as they understand their job is to interpret the law and constitution as written and not make the law. The late great Antonin Scalia use to say that it is the job of a justice to interpret the law but when seven unelected justices start making the law then it is not much of a democracy.

golden 09-19-2020 07:15 AM

lawn boy
 
Ginsburg's legacy will be the first Supreme Court Justice to openly politicize the Court.
Sandra Day O'Connor was the first female Justice, Ginsburg the second. O'Connor retired from the court in grace at age 76, she is now 90. Ginsburg had to be carried out. Ginsburg rolled the political dice and lost.

tvbound 09-19-2020 07:32 AM

"If the next Justice has the philosophy of "Original Intent"


That "original intent" of the constitution was to treat women and blacks as second-class citizens, who could not vote or had any power in society and could be discriminated against with impunity. It's been patently obvious in recent years, that a lot of white males wish that we could go back to that intent. The real irony, is the number of women who have benefited from RBG's life's work and yet are clueless, as to what she has done for them.

Singerlady 09-19-2020 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1835095)
Wow. No warning.
May she rest in peace.
I'm not thinking we'll see a replacement before Jan. 20. 2021.

Plenty of warning, unfortunately. She ‘ beat’ cancer 3 times only to have it come back. RIP.

Bucco 09-19-2020 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1835281)
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And if 'the shoe was on the other foot' do you really believe the Dems Would Not do exactly the same????
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Thus far the GOP is pitching a shutout based on actual reality

mtdjed 09-19-2020 07:41 AM

Be honest - The issue of moving on with the business of the country is not a question of respect.

It is political. As one President has said in the past, "Elections have consequences...".

Politicians in office have obligations and judgements to consider. Appointments to the Supreme Court are recommended by the ruling President and approved by the existing Senate. Either party would move forward with their selection if they had adequate votes to confirm.

But the "Elections have consequences.." comment works two ways. The existing politicians now must consider the "consequences" of their actions in the upcoming election.

I would not believe any politician of either party proclaiming that "waiting" is due to respect.

Bucco 09-19-2020 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1835295)
Be honest - The issue of moving on with the business of the country is not a question of respect.

It is political. As one President has said in the past, "Elections have consequences...".

Politicians in office have obligations and judgements to consider. Appointments to the Supreme Court are recommended by the ruling President and approved by the existing Senate. Either party would move forward with their selection if they had adequate votes to confirm.

But the "Elections have consequences.." comment works two ways. The existing politicians now must consider the "consequences" of their actions in the upcoming election.

I would not believe any politician of either party proclaiming that "waiting" is due to respect.

You got it.

Our constitution has been ravaged and precedents have been set. Of course some only think in the moment, not our future.

Lots of reference points have been established.

Never understood, in watching our government, the short sighted win now attitude. Not exactly pro country

meridian5850 09-19-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ruralgoddess (Post 1835187)
McConnell blocked Obama’s pick.... how about he abide by his stated reason for doing that now.

Obama was a lame duck president in the last year of his second term. The current president is not.

Here is McConnell's quote: "I can’t imagine that a Republican majority Congress in a lame duck session after the American people have spoken would want to confirm a nominee opposed by the NRA, the NFIB, and the New York Times says would move the court dramatically to the left. This nomination ought to be made by the next president."

Art cov 09-19-2020 08:02 AM

The justice must not have trusted Pres Obama to replace her or she would have retired so he could pick his choice. Something was weird there!

Jpressley 09-19-2020 08:04 AM

Misquoted the granddaughter

seoulbrooks 09-19-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1835141)
Isn't this the time to say RIP if you wish? Isn't it also the time to say NOTHING if you don't have something nice to say? The woman just died hours ago. Respect the timing a little. Nobody will ever know how I fell about her. I'm sorry she suffered and I'm sorry she passed. Some posts are just shameful. Pick 'Em!

Agree!

jbrown132 09-19-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1835287)
"If the next Justice has the philosophy of "Original Intent"


That "original intent" of the constitution was to treat women and blacks as second-class citizens, who could not vote or had any power in society and could be discriminated against with impunity. It's been patently obvious in recent years, that a lot of white males wish that we could go back to that intent. The real irony, is the number of women who have benefited from RBG's life's work and yet are clueless, as to what she has done for them.

That’s what amendment’s to the constitution are for. That’s why it is such an incredible document.

Rzepecki 09-19-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1835138)
I have no words right now. It just hurts.

Ditto

davem4616 09-19-2020 08:15 AM

Rip

ithos 09-19-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1835255)
Explain please

Are you serious?


Protesters pound the doors of the Supreme Court following Kavanaugh confirmation

Hundreds arrested at anti-Kavanaugh protest: 'It's time for women to be heard' | US news | The Guardian

Protesters disrupt Kavanaugh confirmation vote - YouTube

biker1 09-19-2020 08:35 AM

The last time I checked, the appointment was for life. I really don't care what pundits think and I am pretty sure RBG didn't either. Any you shouldn't either.

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1835233)
There were many calls for her to resign by Democrats under the Obama administration.
Why Justices Ginsburg and Breyer should retire immediately. | The New Republic

Ruth Bader Ginsburg should do all liberals a favor and retire now | Michael Cohen | Opinion | The Guardian

U.S. Justice Ginsburg hits back at liberals who want her to retire | Reuters

And there are many more such articles.

Now, many conservatives are glad that she didn't. If the Supreme Court takes a right turn, then I am confident that this prediction will come to fruition.


OrangeBlossomBaby 09-19-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1835200)
Regardless of your political opinion she was an inspirational figure. RBG excelled at a time when being a woman and Jewish were significant barriers to success in the legal profession. Despite several personal tragedies and family demands, she eventually graduated first in her law class at Cornell University.

However, if a new conservative appointment to the Supreme Court is successful, her memory will be tarnished for many of her erstwhile admirers. She put her personal ambition ahead of the interest of the leftwing of the this country by not retiring under the President Obama's administration when her health was in serious decline.

If McConnell hadn't refused to consider Obama's choice for SCOTUS at the time (Merrick Garland), hadn't even allowed it to be considered by the Senate at all - then Garland would've taken that vacancy, and RBG would've been able to retire knowing that a moderate judge was put into the other position.

That was her, suffering through sickness, in order to preserve the Republic. There is no personal ambition when you're SCOTUS. When you become USSCOTUS - you have won. Game over.

Bucco 09-19-2020 08:38 AM

All of which means WHAT relative to pushing hearings and vote on a justice 6 weeks before an election.

And frankly, the action as not something I would support, however I point to a few posts about precedence being set. Nobody, in either party has forgotten the McConnell “made up rule” and application for most of one year on Garland.

Yep....election do have consequences.....actions in office once elected as well. Words have consequences as well.

Lottoguy 09-19-2020 08:40 AM

I guess changing the rules set by Mitch are okay by you then? Can of worms time is coming.

Bucco 09-19-2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1835349)
If McConnell hadn't refused to consider Obama's choice for SCOTUS at the time (Merrick Garland), hadn't even allowed it to be considered by the Senate at all - then Garland would've taken that vacancy, and RBG would've been able to retire knowing that a moderate judge was put into the other position.

That was her, suffering through sickness, in order to preserve the Republic. There is no personal ambition when you're SCOTUS. When you become USSCOTUS - you have won. Game over.

That “made up” rule and anti American action will forever hang over Supreme Court nominations. Actions have consequences.

The actions during the last nomination were a DIRECT result of McConnells actions.

Lottoguy 09-19-2020 08:42 AM

Just remember NINE is just a number. That can be changed at any time. Look up the year 1869 for more info on this.

Bucco 09-19-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1835353)
I guess changing the rules set by Mitch are okay by you then? Can of worms time is coming.

Nothing to change....it is a made up rule, with no standing anywhere. I believe it was an affront to our country. It represents where we have traveled.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-19-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1835238)
But Democrats were incensed and threw a fit for years about Merrick Garland, insisting that a sitting President had that right. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenky it would be wrong and immoral. Such hypocrisy.

If McConnell had given in to their demands, this wouldn't even be a thing. She would've retired during Obama's presidency, knowing that one available seat had already been filled by a reasonable justice.

Since he refused to even consider Garland, and claimed (at the time) that it was because it was too close to election (Garland was nominated 9 MONTHS before election day), the hypocrisy is on him, should he insist that RBG's replacement be pushed through less than 50 days before THIS election.

The election needs to be supported by the people. At the present time, the people do not support the president. The president is the one who nominates people for the SCOTUS seat.

ithos 09-19-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1835338)
Close the thread "TOO POLITICAL"

This may be the most impactful political event of our lifetimes. I think we can have a meaningful discourse as long as it doesn't become overtly partisan. I have seen some disparaging comments that I feel cross the line and they were not about RBG.

There is a difference between commenting on the impact of politics and political rhetoric especially when it becomes derogatory.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-19-2020 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Art cov (Post 1835306)
The justice must not have trusted Pres Obama to replace her or she would have retired so he could pick his choice. Something was weird there!

She trusted Obama - she approved of Merrick Garland as his previous pick. But she didn't trust the Senate to approve him. And then when they proved to her that they couldn't be trusted, she chose to stick around as long as possible and hope that the Senate would be flipped to something a little less extremist ultra-conservative, and a little more moderate and reasonable.

T186021 09-19-2020 09:09 AM

Really was hoping RBG made it to 2021, the great ones always die way 2 early! Condolences , prayers and love to her family and friends.

Lindsyburnsy 09-19-2020 09:40 AM

I guess what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. It's wonderful to see how dishonorable and hypocritical our leaders are. Power, but not to the People.

Rosebud1949 09-19-2020 09:41 AM

Truly a fighter for Women's Rights
 
Now we need another strong woman to replace her. Be warned women will become (again) 2nd rate citizens if this does not happen. Lets hope the replacement is not sworn in until 2021.

manaboutown 09-19-2020 11:00 AM

Ruth was a brilliant woman and a mover and shaker.

deestatham@aol.com 09-19-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1835093)
R i p

Yes, RIP! She accomplished a lot in her lifetime fr sure!🙏

8notes 09-19-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooklift (Post 1835453)
This was a blessing ... the poor woman was suffering in pain from the cancer also now innocent babies will Soon have a chance not to be murdered daily.

So good thing she is dead? Wow, nice sentiment.

dtennent 09-19-2020 12:33 PM

RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg Here is a small bit of her wisdom...

"Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you."

asianthree 09-19-2020 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 1835508)
RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg Here is a small bit of her wisdom...

"Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you."

That was my favorite Ginseng’s quote. About to post, Thank you for just remembering the women, with any political view.

Taltarzac725 09-19-2020 01:01 PM

U.S. Senate: Supreme Court Nominations (1789-Present)

Finding a replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg will not be easy.

ruralgoddess 09-19-2020 01:20 PM

Well said.

MDLNB 09-19-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1835132)
Be interesting to see how this plays out. She was a fighter that is for sure.

Her body was falling apart but she was still sharp.


She definitely had a "sharp" tongue.
Not a fan but also did not wish her any ill will. We would not have these problems if they had mandatory age retirements like they have in other gov organizations.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-19-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1835525)
U.S. Senate: Supreme Court Nominations (1789-Present)

Finding a replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg will not be easy.

Of course it's easy. Here's a sample conversation that can make it happen:

"Hey Mitch. Let's stick it to the other side. How about we pick David Duke for the new SCOTUS seat?"
Mitch: "LOL totes let's do it."

And...it gets done.


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