I sold a couple of guns to the PD in Dade
 

but they were paying $75 each and that was over 10 years ago

It won't change
 

I hate to say this, but covid will bare me out. How many anti vaccine advocates did we see who were on their death beds and were telling people, covid was no joke and to get vaccinated.

Unfortunately, many firearm advocates will not come to the table until it directly hits them. If they lose a child or grandchild many will change their view. I hope it doesn't come to that, but that's what it looks like to me.

I am being a little picky at a detail. But, the 1st statement that all guns are designed to kill people IS NOT perfectly accurate. Obviously, BB guns are GUNS. but they were designed to break glass bottles, hit cans, and maybe kill small birds (hopefully only starlings, which are NOT a native bird) - I digressed, sorry.
.........A 22 rimfire can possibly, in unlikely circumstances, kill a human - but, it was designed to kill small game and varmints (rats and snakes).
...........Anything as powerful or more powerful than a 38 special can be said to have been designed to kill or wound humans. Sorry for the splitting of hairs!

I am being a little picky at a detail. But, the 1st statement that all guns are designed to kill people IS NOT perfectly accurate. Obviously, BB guns are GUNS. but they were designed to break glass bottles, hit cans, and maybe kill small birds (hopefully only starlings, which are NOT a native bird) - I digressed, sorry.
.........A 22 rimfire can possibly, in unlikely circumstances, kill a human - but, it was designed to kill small game and varmints (rats and snakes).
...........Anything as powerful or more powerful than a 38 special can be said to have been designed to kill or wound humans. Sorry for the splitting of hairs!

Gun Buy Backs gone bad
 

Another time the Buy back ran out and the gangs set up shop nearby and purchased the firearms for the same amount. The gangs got a new stockpile.
BTW often with these things they run out of cash or cards. Yonkers NY ran out of funds 3 x and had to schedule another day. Meanwhile folks were transporting these firearms around.

Sacramento Gun Back Plan
 

I am going to add my two cents to this conversation. AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle Model 15. It is not an assault rifle as an assault weapon is capable of firing full automatic (pull and hold the trigger and the weapon will keep firing at a rapid rate until the magazine is empty). I wish the news media knew the difference. I think the closest most of them have been to a firearm is a picture in a magazine. All firearms are designed to kill even pellet guns which are technically not firearms. Most AR-15s are in caliber 223 Remington. In some states it is illegal to hunt deer with a 223 as it is considered to small to humanly kill a deer. You can also get an AR style rifle in 22LR which is basically a squirrel and rabbit gun. Do people hunt with AR RIFLES? Yes! Why! They are light in weight, adjustable to fit different size people very light in recoil. They are used for varmint hunting and in Texas they are used to reduce the population of wild hogs. There are 400 to 500 million guns owned by 100 million or so people in America. One non gun owner ask why you need more than one gun. There are a little more than 25 million active golf players in American and most have 14 clubs in their bag. I have about 36 clubs in my garage not including a couple of dozen clubs belonging to my wife. While a 9 iron can be used to replace a broken PW it does not work very well as a driver. Same thing with guns. For the person who suggested in jest I hope that we go back to killing people the old fashioned way (sticks, rocks, knives, etc) suggest you check the FBI web site and you can see that more people are killed in the US each year with knives, fist, blunt objects than all types of rifles combined. In Europe with all of the immigrants who have arrived the weapons of choice are knives.

If it WERE ever necessary to fight back against a US tyrannical government, the weapon of CHOICE would be a bolt action sniper rifle that had long-range accuracy up to 1000 yards in a caliber like a 300 Winchester Magnum. A 223 caliber semi-auto AR 15 type rifle is for short-range firefights and would NOT be as useful for snipers. A sniper needs to shoot from long distance and then relocate or hide their rifle against an established tyrannical government.

Hell, if two of them jamb you better have a backup. Bottom line is it is none of anyone’s business how many guns he or anyone else has that are responsible gun owners. Believe it or not there are people who are not terrified by gun ownership. Very smart people

Sacramento Gun Back Plan
 

Totally agree with you! One responded said all guns should be registered with the government. Totally disagree with him! Go on line and you can see translations of Hitler posters that were posted in Germany and countries he invaded saying you had24 hours to turn in your weapons and of course they knew who had weapons as they were registered at the local court house. One thing I think we should consider doing would be to register body armor if you want to buy it much like buying a sound suppresser. If you need body armor as a civilian what are you planning. The last two mass shooters were both wearing body armor.

Give the bought back guns to teachers that want them and allow them to carry them in the schools! BOOM

Not necessary or even wanted. Teachers would need extensive training in order to deal with the adrenaline rush and stress. If all schools were treated like Government buildings it would be hard for these sorts of tragedies to happen. You can't easily get into any Government building without being scrutinized.

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Good point. Also, about 60% of deaths by firearms are suicides.

Why does someone need three guns? I shoot in competitions that require different firearms so that is why I need multiple guns. At one time I owned 5 automobiles at the same time when 2 cars would have been all I "needed" but I had a use for each of them. It's no one's business what I own and what I need. If the ownership is legal, what is the problem other than your desire to force your beliefs on me.

If a teacher is willing and able to get this training why would this be wrong?

Absolutely agree. Giving guns to teachers that don't want them and have never fired them, and the telling them a teenager on an adrenaline high is going to purst into your class with 2 semi-automatic weapons firing as fast as he can. We want you to pull your gun and try to shoot him before you get shot or pass out or shoot a student or 3 because you are shaking so much.

Bad idea since it was first conceived.

Who do you think the shooter is going to shoot first?

I agree,

1. Harden schools with a single point of entry secured with biometric ID checking. Cards will get lost or stolen.

2. Implement national universal background checks, which would include unsealing minor records - this shooter was 18, he did not commit any crimes, and or get convicted in the two days since his birthday.

3. Implement a national wide system of training and apprenticeships for active shooter training. NO Officer without actual experience is allowed on a case. "Fireteams" of 3 to 5 stationed within 3 to 5 minutes of schools via helicopter transport. They have NO other jobs while on duty, duty can be rotated so they are not too "bored" between shootings.

4. Automated gunshot detection systems in and around schools to detect the number, type, and location of gunshots in school and send that info to the designated team who will arrive within 5 minutes with knowledge of how many shooters, what kind of guns, and where they are located. (AI-based detection can give a "good guess" to the type of weapon, multiple microphones around and in the school can triangulate on the location, and possibly provide live voice/sound streams to the fire team so they can hear what is going on. This would be expensive. But I am sure there are smarter people that me that can figure out how to "timeshare" the teams or something to reduce the cost.

That will not STOP the problem, but it will seriously reduce it.

Have you ever faced an active shooter high on adrenaline?

Have you ever read reports of trained police officers accidentally shooting innocent bystanders in a firefight? (I have)

There are training videos on youtube that show how actual highly trained officers can make serious mistakes in high adrenaline situations.

Then imagine if the teacher is nervous - shaking and misses the active shooter but kills multiple children that are in the room... Too much risk of things going sideways. There is no way a teacher can be just trained and be an asset in that situation the first time they face it.

The police in this shooting apparently had active shooter training, but NO experience. And it appears there was a lot of confusion and possibly even mistakes. That is NOT an attack on the police. I am sure they did the best they could. But, the first time in a fire fight is not a good place to be.

It would be better to just secure the buildings, really secure the buildings, then arming teachers won't be necessary.

This thread has turned into just another gun control debate. We already have a very lengthy one of those.