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seoulbrooks 07-21-2020 12:29 PM

Do the rioters ware a uniform identifying themselves, where they are from and who funded their trip? I thought not. Maybe they should ware something with a bank account # to pay for all of their destruction. Only fair for police to also be unidentified.

billethkid 07-21-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by seoulbrooks (Post 1806817)
Do the rioters ware a uniform identifying themselves, where they are from and who funded their trip? I thought not. Maybe they should ware something with a bank account # to pay for all of their destruction. Only fair for police to also be unidentified.

Very similar to terrorists.
Lie in wait, taking lives, ruining lives, destroying property....anonymous COWARDS!!!!
Cuff 'em and jail 'em........treat them like war criminals until proven other wise....figure out later who they are.

We are long past the time to restore law and order...thanks to the spineless politicians and special interest groups that dictate to them.

anothersteve 07-21-2020 12:56 PM

It's not just BLM at these......um........"protests". ANTIFA is there in force and they are deemed a terrorist organization, hence the Feds involvement I would think.

Steve

Marvic 1 07-21-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1806762)
In Portland, and perhaps soon to other cities, there are unnamed persons dressed in camo carrying weapons. They are not the forces of the city, county or the state. These persons wear no identifying insignias nor any name tags.

Their are unnamed persons dressed in Black riot gear outfits carrying bats, Skate boards, bricks, matches and who knows what else in their back-packs. These Black outfit persons wear no Identifying insignia nor any name tags, are these terrorist infiltrating our country.. :shrug:

daddymac1127 07-21-2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 1806754)
These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.

I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe.

Reports indicate that these unmarked personnel were being used to protect the Federal Court House which was under siege by the protesters.

If the reports are correct, should we have just allowed the protesters take over the Court House? Like Seattle?

Marvic 1 07-21-2020 01:31 PM

If a Federal Building is being attacked shouldn't it be a Federal Security Agency the ones to protect it, Mayor should haves NO SAY?

graciegirl 07-21-2020 01:48 PM

When a person walks up to people who are obviously in authority and antagonizes them and this person is a big guy and wearing a shirt that says Navy.( Does that really mean he was a veteran??? Maybe, Maybe not) I don't know. I have to rely on what people tell me and not too many veterans flip the bird at someone who is sent to keep order and is identified by a patch that says police and is wearing fatigues.

Those guys who had the batons were in the midst of an out of control crowd and they were sent to restore order and they were issued those batons. They just didn't amass themselves together and try to beat up the protestors. I would have to think that the guy in the Navy shirt really yelled awful things at them and kept walking toward them advancing on them and to me the guys in the fatigues represent authority. They represent parents and teachers and bosses and laws that say when a police officer says stop, STOP.

I wonder why I feel so strongly and this whole conversation has made me boiling mad almost to tears. Perhaps because I do believe in the laws of this land and I do think that most police officers are in the right.

Luisa 07-21-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 1806754)
These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.

I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe.

They don’t need an invitation by local government to protect federal buildings from burning, graffiti, fireworks, etc. Funny how the people complaining about inequality and racial injustice are the same people destroying property. They are not going to have equality if they destroy while others build. For those that are advocating lawlessness, try living in Mexico or Somalia. Let the people in Chicago kill each other until there are none left. Let the people in Portland riot until there is no more Portland. Unfortunately, the people against this are not represented by the media and decent people are staying away from cities. I don’t even know why I responded to this because it is so absurd.

Luisa 07-21-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1806853)
When a person walks up to people who are obviously in authority and antagonizes them and this person is a big guy and wearing a shirt that says Navy.( Does that really mean he was a veteran??? Maybe, Maybe not) I don't know. I have to rely on what people tell me and not too many veterans flip the bird at someone who is sent to keep order and is identified by a patch that says police and is wearing fatigues.

Those guys who had the batons were in the midst of an out of control crowd and they were sent to restore order and they were issued those batons. They just didn't amass themselves together and try to beat up the protestors. I would have to think that the guy in the Navy shirt really yelled awful things at them and kept walking toward them advancing on them and to me the guys in the fatigues represent authority. They represent parents and teachers and bosses and laws that say when a police officer says stop, STOP.

I wonder why I feel so strongly and this whole conversation has made me boiling mad almost to tears. Perhaps because I do believe in the laws of this land and I do think that most police officers are in the right.

I feel the same way. Has our country gone mad? If this country is so bad, why does the whole world want to come here other than for their own power grab.

blueash 07-21-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1806853)
When a person walks up to people who are obviously in authority and antagonizes them and this person is a big guy and wearing a shirt that says Navy.( Does that really mean he was a veteran??? Maybe, Maybe not) I don't know. I have to rely on what people tell me and not too many veterans flip the bird at someone who is sent to keep order and is identified by a patch that says police and is wearing fatigues.

Those guys who had the batons were in the midst of an out of control crowd and they were sent to restore order and they were issued those batons. They just didn't amass themselves together and try to beat up the protestors. I would have to think that the guy in the Navy shirt really yelled awful things at them and kept walking toward them advancing on them and to me the guys in the fatigues represent authority. They represent parents and teachers and bosses and laws that say when a police officer says stop, STOP.

I wonder why I feel so strongly and this whole conversation has made me boiling mad almost to tears. Perhaps because I do believe in the laws of this land and I do think that most police officers are in the right.

Bingo Gracie. You have hit upon the reason the Federal gov't is using persons untrained in civilian law enforcement protocols in Portland. It is a bald faced attempt to rile up a segment of the population to be upset about law and order. It has been that way since Nixon at least. Nothing would help more than to instigate conflict between protestors and military to make that an issue. Take the focus off police brutality and shift the discussion to law and order. Both the governor and the mayor did not want this and spoke out that things were improving. The escalation now is entirely because of the introduction of outside agitators into the mix. Look at all the posts on this thread about antifa which does not exist as an organization.

By the way. You certainly can use Google to prove to yourself that the man beaten while standing in the street talking at the troops is a Navy vet. I won't post a link. I support peaceful protest. I support good policing. I reject violent protest and I also reject violent policing. But I also hold the police to at least the same standard as a protestor. Hit someone standing there talking with a baton.. go to jail. Kidnap someone, I don't care what color clothes the person is wearing, go to jail. Kneel on someone's neck until they stop moving.. go to jail.

newchapter 07-21-2020 02:32 PM

Oh, please!! Give me a break!!

Aloha1 07-21-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 1806754)
These forces are not local unmarked police. They are camouflaged federal Homeland Security forces that were not invited by the local government into Portland. Soon they are supposed to be deployed to Chicago and other big cities without invitation by the local governments.

I have no doubt that unless this is stopped in the courts, these squads will be showing up on November 3rd in mostly minority neighborhoods to ensure "free and fair" elections. Sad that we have learned nothing from Italy and Germany of the 1920s and 1930s, and the rise of authoritarianism in modern day Europe.

WOW, quite a stretch you just made. First, the local "authorities" have no right nor jurisdiction regarding Federal property. That is why CBP and DHS are there- to protect Federal -our- assets. To take that LAWFUL endeavor and extrapolate it to National Socialist Germany is a really big stretch. The only recent case of pure voter intimidation I recall was in Philadelphia... By the New Black Panthers.

mtdjed 07-21-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1806608)
From your reply, I can only presume that you are perfectly OK with unmarked security and unmarked cars using pepper spray and beating up people with night sticks and shooting them with rubber bullets. Is that bringing order to our streets?

YEP. Good idea. The people getting a chance to smell pepper gas are criminals. They are not protesters.

n8xwb 07-21-2020 02:57 PM

Nothing in common with Nazis. Anyone who thinks so needs to listen to more than the mainstream media. Try adding NEWSMAX to your news stations and hear more than one side of the story!

golfing eagles 07-21-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1806587)
I have been waiting to see if anyone would start a conversation on the unmarked security force and the unmarked cars in Portland, OR. This is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

I'm not sure what the problem is with that. Don't break the law and you don't have to worry about it.


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