Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1837325)

Amazed that this thread is still up with all the partisan sniping. We have one group brow beating the other, insisting that only they are right. We have another group arguing that the first group is wrong and won't listen to "the facts". In the middle are a few voices of reason. Conclusion: This thread is going nowhere fast and at best appears to catharsis for some.

My take is very simple, do the right thing to protect yourself and your loved ones. Wear a mask, wash your hands, and stay out of crowds. You do not need to listen to ANY politician or the media, just use common sense assuming that still exists.

This too shall pass as so many pandemics have before. Be a role model for others in the meantime.

Originally Posted by Cranford61 (Post 1836981)

We, the 5%ers, also create 27% of worlds greenhouses gasses. Not a good world citizen. Connection?

Originally Posted by reg331 (Post 1836990)

Did they die FROM the virus or WITH the virus? Big difference!

Originally Posted by Nordhagen (Post 1837179)

Have read that the CDC said that only 6% of deaths are only due to the virus. The rest had underlying health issues that the virus, obviously, didn’t help. That’s 12,000 deaths directly tied to the virus.

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1837346)

I read the same thing. :coolsmiley:

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1837137)

Actually, according to one study the death rate is lower since the pandemic than it was from 2014 through 2018. I got this info from Macrotrends so I can not attest to the veracity of the information.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1837354)

We have read them all. I choose to hope that the dying will stop soon. We have had some hopeful information in the last few days;

Phase 3 clinical trial of investigational vaccine for COVID-19 begins | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Originally Posted by loribellitt (Post 1837128)

The Civil Discourse Club in The V recently hosted a Zoom meeting w/a former CDC employee giving an update on Covid. It's a great club to join to receive pertinent info on many subjects. Pertinent to Covid were some valid points:
*Due to a lack of clear messaging, 2 countries suffer: US & Spain (Spain recently handed virus control to 'regional' govts to their peril)
*In Korea now, easy tests are similar to a pregnancy test (available at Dollar General)
*Across the world, there are over 200 possible vacs in development.
*60-70% of population needs to be vaccinated or recovered for herd immunity. As of now, only 2% have been exposed.
*Virus not changing as quickly as normal flu virus. In S. Africa where they are currently going through regular 'flu' season, it's not nearly as severe, thanks mostly to masking already taking place for Covid.
*Estimates vacs availability April 2021 earliest.
*Convalescent plasma has NOT been effective.
*Regarding govt. payments to hospitals for Covid diagnoses: They do NOT receive payment if patient admitted w/pre-existing condition.
*Initial messaging from the CDC was diluted dramatically.
*One metric used to determine Covid deaths is average of TOTAL deaths (car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, etc) in same time frame year-to-year. It doesn't change much EXCEPT for this year where, sometime ago, deaths were up over 200,000. This points to Covid deaths actually being underreported.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1837281)

OK, so what would you have done differently? Ignore Fauci and Birx??? Create a panic with gloom and doom talk??? Use psychic ability to know the facts about the virus before they were discovered? Even Monday morning quarterbacking is difficult with this one.

There are many reasons for the US to have a higher percentage of deaths---mobile population, genetically diverse, frontier mentality, distrust of authority---pick one or more.

Originally Posted by Masterchin (Post 1837215)

96 percent would still be alive had they not had COVID-19. I too have four Doctors I’m close with and all have confirmed that hospitals DONT get paid more for a positive COVID death. Really amazing people believe politicians over science. The latest one I heard was mask don’t work. That’s why Doctors and nurses wear them every day. Twenty six years USAF and I thought During times of crisis we’re supposed to join together and generally care about fellow Americans. We pick politics over family, over country, over neighbors. We’re okay with lies and dishonest politicians as long as it serves our purpose. We should demand better from our leaders and if we don’t get it we vote them out. Leaders are supposed to unite us not divide us. Divided we will fall!