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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904116)

Unfortunately, there is no comparison in how the cause of death is reported.

In 30+ years of practice, I never once signed a death certificate with "Influenza" listed as the cause, and neither did most doctors.

Now, there is a financial incentive to list COVID on the DC and on hospital bills.

So, I wonder how many fewer "COVID" deaths we would have if they were counted the way we traditionally count influenza deaths, and how many more influenza deaths if there were the same financial incentive for the influenza diagnosis. A hint of this lies in the almost ridiculous low number of influenza cases this year. (and NO, it's not because people are wearing a mask)

Everybody knows that Australia studied why the Flu was about non-existent in their country. Their conclusion was that it was due to wearing masks against CV. Just Google it. It is the same for other countries.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904124)

That line just keeps getting repeated and repeated on TOTV. I've challenged those that are repeating it to name a source---and guess what---zero, nada, zippo. What the article that they are distorting actually said is that it is unknown whether the vaccine prevents the nose and throat from harboring the virus, so more study is needed.. BIG DIFFERENCE THERE

The US government is NOT giving vaccine shots away for just a whim. Phizer and Moderna studied it and submitted the results - which were YES, they do prevent hospitalizations and DEATH. Your death is prevented as society moves toward herd-immunity. You want that. What more do you expect - a lifetime supply of 9 irons in addition to a FREE ticket to LIFE.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904152)

Paranoia. Terror. Ignorance. Sub-normal intelligence. Brainwashed by media.

Take your pick. Last time this question was posted there were a ton of lame excuses that all started with "I'm not afraid, but....." In reality, they are all afraid. And that's OK, do what you want to feel safe. But you are deluding yourself if you think wearing a mask in your car does anything to prevent COVID. And you are even more delusional if you are denying your fear.

Yes, and I despise all the "delusional" name calling!

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Originally Posted by stebooo (Post 1904213)

Don't forget your dog poops in my yard only once

I hope that that made sense to someone?

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1904322)

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904227)

When hospitals bill the third party payers, your stay has to fit into one of hundreds of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups), which in turn determines reimbursement. Attending physicians are asked to put down every diagnosis their patient had, then specialized "coders" arrange them in the order that gleans the most dollars. The primary reason for the hospital stay should be listed first, but these people take a lot of "poetic license" The last I talked to my ex-partners, adding COVID to the list of diagnoses was worth an additional $13,000 to the hospital, and that's a medium size hospital in Central NY, so probably more in a big city hospital where the reimbursement for each DRG is higher due to higher overhead costs. So the short answer to your question is paid by insurers or Medicare to hospitals for listing COVID as a diagnosis.
There is an anecdote circulating in the medical community that a young victim of a fatal motorcycle crash was brought to the hospital DOA. They tested the corpse for COVID and then put that as a diagnosis. True or not, I have no idea, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility. My daughter in law got sick just 3 days ago with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, possible bleeding and a BP of 60/20. The first thing Wake Forrest medical did was test for COVID!!! What a joke!!! there are a lot of things I would like to know from lab testing in this case, but COVID status is not at the top of the list. But it's clear that it's worthwhile for them to test EVERYONE that comes to the hospital, and it is not solely to isolate the positive patients

And it is "CLEAR" to me that the Hospital did the RIGHT / CORRECT thing to test for CV. I hope that they would since we are in a WORLDWIDE pandemic and people in the US are the #1 spreaders of the disease. A more infectious and deadly variant has taken hold all over the US, so only by testing can Scientists do contact tracing and mapping to stop it. It is a NEW world for DOCTORS after CV and MOST (?) will want to embrace all the knowledge and statistics that they can find and create. Why complain when Science moves on? Plus for the most cynical of reasons - hospitals do NOT want to be sued for misdiagnosing a patient that has CV symptoms. That would be bad for ALL Doctors' reputations. We would NOT want that? would we?

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1904249)

I disagree. It IS related. We have never had a time where we were told to wear a mask in a store, until now. Once vaccinated, I will no longer wear a mask in a store unless requested. And then, still maybe not. No one is enforcing it. Why in the world would I wear a mask if I felt there was proof that I am safe from harming others? I have no intention of contributing to the idea of mandated mask wearing in America.

The proof of "not harming others" is NOT fully researched yet. I have heard research that says a fully vaccinated person can still spread it to others. More study is needed by everyone. You may WANT to believe something, but that does NOT make it true!

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1904259)

Kind of like 98% of your posts.. :1rotfl:

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904324)

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

More like a trail of a dog with the runs. :doggie:

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1904314)

Whether or not you have a religious connection...that isn't funny or even witty.

I AM connected directly to the BIG man/woman in the sky. Thank you for noticing!

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1904322)

I guess jimmyjam's drive by posting is done for the day. Thanks for playing.

The day is not YET over Grasshopper. Thank you for noticing!

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1904324)

Yes, and he left a trail of triple bogeys in his wake. I hope someday he gets something right. He's bound to , if only by random chance. I won't bother refuting his nonsense point by point today.

Another day, another refute.

Solution:
They have about perfected an instant COVID test that will be sold over the counter. If you want proof that I am safe, hand me one of those and I will gladly indulge you for a minute before advising you to mind your own business and to social distance somewhere else. I am an Independent and thus, need no gov nanny or little tattletalers interfering in my business. If that excites you, then I suggest retiring to your safe room with all your little stuffed animals. About the only reaction to someone that I do not know falling ill is "that's a shame." If I am not infected, then I have no need to satisfy some weak minded and dependent whiner's whims. You should assume that a person that is out and about is safe, not infected. There is no reason to believe that everyone you see is infected. If my rather blunt nature bothers you, then that is totally on you.

And a little side note to unnamed poster that insisted on using "what would Jesus do?" Jesus would not be wearing a mask. He would be healing the BELIEVERS. I might also mention that believers are quoted in the Bible as being able to handle poisonous serpents and drink poison and survive. Best not to attempt to use someone's beliefs to win at a discussion. No matter how you frame your response, you can be right or you can be wrong. We are expressing our opinions.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1904339)

Another day, another refute.

Didn't even break a sweat, child's play!