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OhioBuckeye 06-22-2020 07:56 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1788975)
Where are the Social Workers when you need them?:shrug:

They’re to busy Socializing!😲

GoodLife 06-22-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1789356)
In the photo of the 35 year old man in the link you gave, he is giving a gang hand symbol. Frankly, I don’t mind if gang members kill other gang members, so long as they don’t shoot non-members. But last week, wasn’t there a man in Ocala who was shot in the neck by a stray bullet while driving past a gun fight in progress? I would love for the police to protect everyone who wants to be protected, but what do you do if they don’t want to be protected? It’s a difficult situation. Do you give people what they want or what they need? And what if the people who wanted to defund the police then complain that they aren’t being protected? Life is rather confusing and difficult these days.

His hand signal looks like a two handed shaka symbol to me, article notes that he was an entrepreneur who designed African themed clothing.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-22-2020 11:09 AM

Murder rate by guns
 
2016 fl 12.6 per 100, 2,704 murdered New York 4.4 pe 100, 900 murdered murder rank by state 2018 Florida 19 New York 47 Massachusetts 49 . I am also happy to say that my state of Massachusetts has either the lowest percent of murders 3.4 per 100, or the next lowest for last 20 years I’m also very happy to say it’s almost impossible to get a permit to carry a gun, I can also tell you that for almost 40 in a he most dangerous places in world I used a gun I would never know ever have one since I stopped working again

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1788699)
Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News

It seems to be nationwide-like a work slowdown-a historical union tactic. For example in Atlanta, about 6 or 8 of their Police Force outright resigned. And many are slow in answering calls. Their Union seems worried about the BAD publicity about the recent Atlanta Police shooting and nationwide anti-Police MOOD. All Unions tend to have a "all for 1 and 1 for all" CREDO! That leaves the big and for the near future question of whether the Police Unions (which are VERY strong) are going to fight "tooth +nail" for ALL their members-right or wrong. The Atlanta shooting appears to be an overreach for one so-called "bad apple", or at best an over-zealous apple. Remember, society's attitudes change and there seems to be a power shift FROM less adversarial Policingmethods toward a softer, citizen's safety 1st, community uplifting attitude nationwide.

GoodLife 06-22-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1789540)
It seems to be nationwide-like a work slowdown-a historical union tactic. For example in Atlanta, about 6 or 8 of their Police Force outright resigned. And many are slow in answering calls. Their Union seems worried about the BAD publicity about the recent Atlanta Police shooting and nationwide anti-Police MOOD. All Unions tend to have a "all for 1 and 1 for all" CREDO! That leaves the big and for the near future question of whether the Police Unions (which are VERY strong) are going to fight "tooth +nail" for ALL their members-right or wrong. The Atlanta shooting appears to be an overreach for one so-called "bad apple", or at best an over-zealous apple. Remember, society's attitudes change and there seems to be a power shift FROM less adversarial Policingmethods toward a softer, citizen's safety 1st, community uplifting attitude nationwide.

So police union work slowdowns are causing more shootings in NYC? :shocked:

I'm sure a softer citizens safety community uplifting approach will have the great results seen in CHAZ.

PugMom 06-22-2020 11:35 AM

it's one of the many reasons we left the northeast. it was out of control back then, & has only gotten worse. the way things are going, i can't see it ever going back to the prosperous & safe area it once was. we knew Fl was 1 of the last strongholds of american freedom

mtlee024 06-22-2020 11:51 AM

This what is expected and will happen everywhere. When Government and politicians, take action to undermine and stop policing activities, the bad guys (and others), take this as an OK to do whatever they want to with impunity. It is now mob rules, anarchy, and anything goes because our politicians don't have the guts to do the right thing and follow the law. Stay safe and chamber up.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-22-2020 12:20 PM

Oh yes
 
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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1789555)
it's one of the many reasons we left the northeast. it was out of control back then, & has only gotten worse. the way things are going, i can't see it ever going back to the prosperous & safe area it once was. we knew Fl was 1 of the last strongholds of american freedom

freedom to have a gun and have the 19 highest murder rate in USA crowded in with all there southern state brothers while all the north eastern states some of the lowest murder rates

Stu from NYC 06-22-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlee024 (Post 1789561)
This what is expected and will happen everywhere. When Government and politicians, take action to undermine and stop policing activities, the bad guys (and others), take this as an OK to do whatever they want to with impunity. It is now mob rules, anarchy, and anything goes because our politicians don't have the guts to do the right thing and follow the law. Stay safe and chamber up.

Luckily for their citizens NYC and Chicago have strict gun control laws or who knows how bad this violence could have been.

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by speedo8357 (Post 1789100)
If Giuliani were major, this would not be happening. I’m a born and raised NYer and began my working career during the 70s. You couldn’t walk through the streets without climbing over homeless and being accosted by windshield washers intimidating you when you parked at a red light. A marked difference during Giuliani in the 90s. You actually were inclined to hang around the city to go to a show and have a bite to eat. Because he empowered the police and supported them.

I believe ALL that. And kudos to Rudy G. for THAT. But, he seems to have changed in his older years and may (?) be engaging in nefarious acts himself such as $ laundering?

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 1789109)
Like you, I too am saddened and fearful. People are crazy, but the leaders of the crazies are crazy like foxes. They know that the continued weakening of our responses to lawlessness and the pandering of political leaders to special interests due to threats of various kinds is working. I believe that the majority of decent, honest people truly support equality for all, but the crazy foxes have succeeded in getting us to focus on and squabble over details, individual events and past injustices, thus making it near impossible to agree on what really needs to be done to set a proper foundation for moving ahead.
The aim of the crazy foxes, is the destruction of our country. They don't want to rock the boat, they want to tip the boat over.
I want and welcome diversity in my country and my community. But, I also welcome law and order equally applied to all. As long as there are those who prey and abuse others the laws must be enforced, order maintained and correcting measures applied equally to all.
Please stay safe. Please stay healthy. Peace.

Interesting post. Very subtle at arriving at the point. Gentlemanlike.

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1789167)
Apparently Grant did not do a good enough job defeating the confederacy because his statues are being defaced and toppled.

If that is sarcasm, then kudos. If not, negative kudos.

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1789179)
Maybe because it's in the COTUS and the Founding Father's didn't want a...


Military Dictatorship (click here)


...as our form of government? :oops:

In fact, the FF's weren't in favor of a standing army...in the first place.


Personally, I would prefer a DRAFTED Police force and Military to a volunteer one!

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GOLFER54 (Post 1789226)
The criminals know that the police are scarce due to them leaving the force or retiring. These bad people are having a field day with little or no consequences.

A main reason for the fewer beat and other Police coverage goes back to tax law passed in the George w. era and the current tax change. It leaves less $ to trickle down to State and local police Forces.

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1789299)
Yup …. It's a sad state of affairs. But thankfully, we have the 2nd Amendment, and it's so easy to exercise. Only a few states suppress it …..New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and Illinois (and maybe a couple more).
I always carry when travelling, and sometimes while here. But methinks that I should carry all the time. After all, TV is considered a "soft target".

Right, and we all should "go to the mattresses".

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1789356)
In the photo of the 35 year old man in the link you gave, he is giving a gang hand symbol. Frankly, I don’t mind if gang members kill other gang members, so long as they don’t shoot non-members. But last week, wasn’t there a man in Ocala who was shot in the neck by a stray bullet while driving past a gun fight in progress? I would love for the police to protect everyone who wants to be protected, but what do you do if they don’t want to be protected? It’s a difficult situation. Do you give people what they want or what they need? And what if the people who wanted to defund the police then complain that they aren’t being protected? Life is rather confusing and difficult these days.

My wife said over a year ago that the US of A is rapidly becoming the US of another 3rd world country. Fro example, the widening wealth disparity created partially by tax laws.

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1789530)
2016 fl 12.6 per 100, 2,704 murdered New York 4.4 pe 100, 900 murdered murder rank by state 2018 Florida 19 New York 47 Massachusetts 49 . I am also happy to say that my state of Massachusetts has either the lowest percent of murders 3.4 per 100, or the next lowest for last 20 years I’m also very happy to say it’s almost impossible to get a permit to carry a gun, I can also tell you that for almost 40 in a he most dangerous places in world I used a gun I would never know ever have one since I stopped working again

Last sentence-confusing. The earlier makes sense. Do not tell that to the NRA, which used to be about hunting in the 50s and 60s. Now it has gone all "gung ho" for $.

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1789548)
So police union work slowdowns are causing more shootings in NYC? :shocked:

I'm sure a softer citizens safety community uplifting approach will have the great results seen in CHAZ.

CHAZ is a social aberration today and may be moot. It is, however, scaring many right-handed pitchers. Societies are ALWAYS in FLUX!

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1789555)
it's one of the many reasons we left the northeast. it was out of control back then, & has only gotten worse. the way things are going, i can't see it ever going back to the prosperous & safe area it once was. we knew Fl was 1 of the last strongholds of american freedom

Next stop----Alaska, the REAL last fontier!

jimjamuser 06-22-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1789626)
Next stop----Alaska, the REAL last fontier!

Make that frontier.

DonnaNi4os 06-22-2020 01:39 PM

Without getting political, removing law enforcement from cities seems like a huge mistake. It is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Guns are legal in NY as far as I know, provided you are licensed. But who believes that people who use guns illegally will bother to obtain them in a legal manner? Inquiring minds want to know.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 06-23-2020 09:55 AM

Your right
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1789611)
Last sentence-confusing. The earlier makes sense. Do not tell that to the NRA, which used to be about hunting in the 50s and 60s. Now it has gone all "gung ho" for $.

it is as a little confusing I was just trying to make a point about not needing a gun in my home

ColdNoMore 06-23-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1789611)
Last sentence-confusing. The earlier makes sense. Do not tell that to the NRA, which used to be about hunting in the 50s and 60s. Now it has gone all "gung ho" for $.

1. Create anger, hatred and a fear ("THEY" are coming to take all of your guns away").

2. Manufacture a target for that fear (no need to state the obvious).

3. Make as much money as possible, off of those gullible enough...to believe that fear. :oops:


It's Capitalism and...the "American Way."
:D

mixsonci 06-24-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RAAndre (Post 1788759)
It is just so hard to believe how stupid these officials/politicians are. I can't believe what is happening in this country. What the hell is going on? Who the hell are these crazy people? I am saddened and fearful.

I totally agree with you, it is so scary where all this is headed!!!


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