Statistics of violence and crime.
 

One of the best places to look for statistics on crime and violence is that website maintained by the FBI. I will be very blunt and use the statistic most people quote that 83% of all violent crime is caused by 13% of the population mainly the black American Male. Further of all the deaths of black American males more than 80% is caused by other black American males . Police in their pursuit of their duties cause an incredibly minor percentage of deaths of blacks and even the police in those cases are mostly black.

All of that being said the statistics are actually probably much skewed to low. The FBI can only report on statistics that are given to them by the cities and states. As an example Rahm Emmanuel decided that crime reports in Chicago would not have a line to report the race of the victim or the perpetrator when he got elected as mayor of Chicago there for Chicago not show the very high growing rates by blacks that's one way to skew the reports. As someone reported crime is definitely related to income but as I always say your income is basically your own problem don't blame race color on income . Virtually every immigrant group excluding the blacks has raised themselves up from being poor. The Irish in the 1920s and the Jews learn to get jobs get their kids into colleges and grew incomes . The waves of Puerto Ricans and Cubans that have come in over the years have for the most part done the same. Indians and pakistanis has supported each other by giving loans to buy hotels restaurants etc. The blacks have not understood that education and income go hand in hand and you can't be blaming everyone but yourselves. I am not trying to make a totally blanket statement as obviously there are black Americans that are successful . And I certainly don't mean to cause offense to anyone so I apologize in advance. Please feel free to Google the statistics yourselves. I also want you to research several books by a Steven farren who postulates that the black races that came out of Africa have IQs that are several points lower than most of the world wide races. It's not a popular viewpoint but it has a huge statistical base

It appears that whoever guides the advertising agencies must be the real rulers of this land.

I cannot decide if the images we have seen over time of housewives in high heels and financially secure and quite beautiful families have made the world a better place but those scenes we see to sell us things most certainly do NOT represent the real world.

When parts of society are focused on certain groups to encourage social justice for them then we see great focus on those groups in television advertising EXCEPT I do NOT see a lot of Hispanic folks in advertising currently and I don't know why they are left out.

Anyhow YES. I have noticed that television advertising represent the world of the few and an unrealistic world.

According to the US government, there are 6,534,462 blacks living below the poverty line in the US and 15,438,528 whites living below the poverty line. Based on your hypothesis whites should be twice as likely to commit a crime with a gun, or be shot than blacks.
But in reality, blacks are more likely to commit gun violence and twice as likely to die from gun violence than whites.

Believe she is looking for company. Someone to share her belongings with. ;)
(The above is humor folks... used to be prevalent a few years back)

I feel the same way. Working and earning a living is something to be proud of no matter of skin color. If more people of color felt this way, there would be less need for living off the government and less time for killing each other.

I am 81 years old. I have never known or seen or heard of a shooting in my neighborhood. We both have tried to work hard and save and not buy foolish or unneeded things so that our children could live in a safe area with good schools. We enjoyed that kind of life and so we continued to pick safe areas to live.

Not everyone has or should have a political philosophy that hits every single thing of the party they recently voted for. We feel safe and when we do not feel safe we will buy things or change things. So far. So good. I don't know what the future will bring but I don't have any thing anyone would want. The kids don't even want the dishes. I don't like expensive jewelry and even thieves can buy their own TV set and have it put in the car for not a lot of dough. I would feel quite nice if someone would steal one of my paintings.

I am kidding around but don't let this white hair fool ya. You run your railroad and I'll run mine.

It takes a year or more for the FBI statistics on shooting nationwide and by state to come out, but before that, some cities or states release their own statistics. I believe I’ve read in the NYTimes that shootings have been up a lot in poorer areas of cities. I think Covid drove many young people stir crazy, and staying home in a cramped apartment for a year has probably destroyed a lot of marriages, and losing jobs and not being able to pay the rent has caused immense stress. Thus, more shootings and more deaths.

Yes, the statistics for firearms deaths are accurate. Only half as many Hispanics die from being shot by firearms as do Euro-Americans, and twice as many African-Americans. Noticing that isn’t racist. It’s just statistics. We should add that among African-Americans, the vast majority of those shot and killed are young males from impoverished neighborhoods, and the shooters are nearly always young African-American males from impoverished neighborhoods. The shootings are generally gang or drug related. The Brady report quoted above says, “Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are ten times more likely than White Americans to die from it. And Black youth fare even worse. Black children and teens are fourteen times more likely to die from gun homicide than their White counterparts.” The FBI reports show that in the vast majority of cases, whites shoot whites, blacks shoot blacks, and Hispanics shoot Hispanics, and in all ethnicities, the shooters are usually poor, young, and male, and drugs and alcohol and gangs are generally involved.

I would conclude from the above that you and I live in one of the safest places in America. Violence here seems to be nearly always between men and women or grown children living together, following arguments and drinking, and the physical manifestation of that is likely a push or a slap. The spiritual and emotional manifestations are much worse than the physical, alas. I’d say spend that extra money doing something fun with your husband instead of buying a gun you will never need to use.

Gracie, you'll never get an accurate answer to your post. There's just too much complicated information that can be spun to anyone's advantage. The subject matter is as controversial as politics, religion and covid vaccinations.

The ? should be WHO is doing the shootings
 

George Floyd died about 15 months ago. Since then, blacks have murdered about 10,000 other blacks. Can you name two? One? Me either.

I see people in nearly every commercial.
Why don’t you say what you mean???
Is this called a dog whistle?

To my knowledge the NRA has not killed one single sole.

I know that. I knew that. I was attempting to define the problem and gather facts.

What should be looked at is not race and shooting, but poverty.
When the person is in a position in life and wants to keep it that way.
The usually stay out of trouble.

You're correct. Strict gun control has little effect on gun crime.

What does have an effect on gun violence is the strict adherence to law and order. We need to stop identifying gun violence as a race/social justice/poverty/police brutality/etc issue. When law enforcement is allowed to do its job and the prosecution of criminals is done properly, gun violence is reduced substantially.

Take a look at the leadership of the cities with the highest rate of gun violence. That leadership has commonalities. It has reduced the effectiveness of its police force. And, it has reduced the legal jeopardy associated with all criminal acts.

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1963359]I know that. I knew that. I was attempting to define the problem and gather facts.[/QhUOTE]
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Any death by gun (any death actually) is a tragedy for all involved. Does not matter the race, ethnicity or anything else. Placing labels to discuss is fruitless.

Understanding the “why” requires much much more than the color of ones skin, unless you actually believe those with a dark skin are actually born to kill people or violate the law.

As others have stated, and is my opinion, so much killing is a result of economics. Yes, there are some bad people by nature, economic frustration and desperation drive people to extremes. Add an ingredient of being looked at, as a human being, as being different or inferior (no matter the color of skin) and that drives many the wrong way.

Yes it is. Folks simply look for things to hate....fear....make less of than themselves.....whatever.

As long as we do that, future is grim. People are people and it is that simple.

And thanks for calling this what it is Bogie.

Really…how many shootings have there been in TV?

Why "twist" the simple posting?

[QUOTE=Bucco;1963390]studies/statistics say otherwise. if poverty were the primary factor in violent crime, then why does places in rural West Virginia or Florida have so much less violent crime. rates? If poverty were the cause of crime, the per capita crime rate among poor people would exhibit a strong correlation with socio-economic status, but no correlation at all with race among people who are equally rich or equally poor. to the contrary, statistics show that there’s an even stronger correlation between crime and race than there is between crime and social class. The best predictor of the crime rates in an area is almost always its racial demographics. sorry if you can't deal with facts, but this IS a fact.

Until this country can be honest about the facts - that one group in society is very disproportionately committing crime, and its largely not discussed because it's an uncomfortable truth, we will never have honesty. People see whats going on, no matter how many people are "taking knees", babbling about "social justice" (whatever on earth THAT means, anyway).

if the majority group in this country was committing 4x the amount of crime as the ones not in the majority, I'm sure that's all we'd hear about. but it's the opposite.

liberals are simply dishonest because the truth does not fit their narrative

So what are the perps ethnicity percentages? (we all know that general answer)

The reality is the mean weighted by population ratios of one minority I need not name to whites across 13 large cities is 11.2 for violent crimes, 21 for arrests for murder and 5.6 for property crimes. These statistics are reported in Chapter 4 of the book I previously noted and come from large databases.

Most gun deaths in the US are "gang related", as well...

Yes, the NRA (and their members) are out there shooting people...

Bwahahaha!

Every neighborhood is safe... Until it isn't...

This family lived in one of the safest neighborhoods in MD.

Two of the daughters babysat my kids...

Handyman is charged in slayings of 4 Potomac family members, painter - Baltimore Sun

I don't think of that area is safe at all. I chose to live here. It is safe for now and when it isn't our plans will change.

Crime in Baltimore
Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. is notorious for its significantly high crime rate, including a violent crime rate that ranks high above the national average. Violent crime spiked in 2015 after the death of Freddie Gray on April 19, 2015, which touched off riots and an increase in murders. The city recorded 348 homicides in 2019, a number second only to the number recorded in 1993 when the population was nearly 125,000 higher.

The paper is the Baltimore Sun, the crime was committed in Potomac MD. Equating the two is like looking for Royal Carribean cruise ships on Lake Sumter because the Daily Sun had an article about them.

Also note that the article is 26 years old. Has anyplace not been touched by violence of some sort in the last 26 years?

you do get the concept of "probabilities" right? You're not going to suggest that Potomac, MD is as dangerous as Baltimore, are you? You want to play that game? I can show you stats all day long.

Potomac violent crime is 3.3. (The US average is 22.7)
Potomac property crime is 8.2. (The US average is 35.4)

Baltimore violent crime is 77.8. (The US average is 22.7)
Baltimore property crime is 67.6. (The US average is 35.4)

so I guess we need to discuss probabilities - the Baltimore violent crime rate 23.57 TIMES higher than Potomac, MD and the property crime rate is 8.2 times higher.

but sure, bring out an article about a murder 26 years ago. probabilities mean NOTHING. LOL

and by the way, Potomac has not had a murder since before 2007 at least. NONE. probably longer than that, but that's the only as far as i could find statistics. Baltimore is on pace for like 400 murders THIS YEAR.

so your point is.....?

Then it's a Win! Win! for US as well then.
Who cares if the bad guys all shoot each other.
The more the merrier!

Who the hell was talking about Baltimore? Yes, that place has become a sh!thole...

The story I linked was in Potomac, MD... Try googling that...

Reading is fundamental...

Want me to list the current stats?

Property crime is way up. There have been more than several murders since.

Less than 10 miles away, MS-13 is killing people weekly...

I picked that incidence for it's depravity and the fact that I knew the family...

Statistics and 'labels' will often lie. If you ever read a police blotter website like the one for Brevard County, Florida one thing begins to stand out. MOST with obviously Latin features and names like Rodriguez and Aurelio are listed as 'white' not 'Hispanic'. Easily half or more are listed this way meaning the crimes they commit are attributed to whites as well. I'd love to see some statistics that showed just 'Euro-Americans', I'm betting they would make an even starker comparison to the 13%.

lol. less than 10 miles away. in the DC area, 10 miles is an ETERNITY. yes, please tell me how crime is virtually the same wherever you live. that there is no difference. lol

don't be a fool

I lived in the DC area for 20 years. I know quite a lot about it. guessing you never have? probably never even HEARD of Potomac, MD.

but let me educate you. here's a recent crime heat map. Take I dunno a WILD guess how the demographics relate to this map? Also, take a wild guess where Potomac is ? just north, outside the DC border, along the river above the deepest green area.
any clue as to what that means?

it's called probabilities. Crime 'can' happen anywhere. But in general, it is far more likely to happen in some areas compared to others. but I guess you skipped the day they taught probabilities in college?

It's the culture, not the ethnicities, not poverty, and not gun ownership (my guns have never killed anyone, despite being mostly unsupervised).

Many young black men enjoy a culture of violence and most of their victims are other young black men engaging in the same cultural practices. Play stupid games and you will win stupid prizes.

Their is a correlation between bad cultural practices and the bad financial practices that lead to poverty. That is very different than poverty causing crime. Its bad parenting and bad culture.

Fatherlessness is the number one factor in criminality and the number one factor in poverty. Follow the statistics for any group whose culture places little value on fatherhood and you find major problems. Double down for teen mothers who let their kids be raised by grandparents.

The "13% of the popularion" statistic is a bit misleading, as the blacks that commit the majority of the killings are overwhelmingly male (half of the 13%, or 6.5%) and young (maybe 2.5% or so of the US population). That is much more sobering.

I find it interesting that one political party manages all the most violent cities and then blames the other party. The government sure as hell only makes things worse with their communist policies and racial "education" blame game.

Yep. People don't invade others homes unless they know what's inside. In the UK, its knives instead of guns.

Yes, and sadly, when he became a vegetable, Sarah Brady devoted her life to destroying the Second Amendment, and got fame and fortune doing it. Her efforts would have been better spent lobbying to get nut cases like Hinkley off the streets, but that was not nearly so glamourous a pursuit. So here we sit 40 years later, innocent gun owners having to defend their Constitutional right to defend themselves and their families against the thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=Bucco;1963390]If economics were the cause, the Welfare State would have solved the problem of violence. It has failed miserably. The societal destruction of the nuclear family is the proximate cause of today's youth gang affiliation, drugs and violence. An insidious, organized effort to remove parental control has left children without guidance and a sense of right and wrong. We have created a monster. Throwing money at it is a horrible solution. "As the twig is bent, so grows the tree..." Taking guns from law-abiding citizens is not the answer!

And yet, you rarely ever hear about anyone who DOES defend their families against thugs terrorizing their neighborhoods with their lawfully carried guns.

In fact (thought I mentioned this up-thread, or in another thread): of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US over the past few years, NONE of them were stopped by a lawfully-carrying citizen defending himself or his community against the shooter.

None.

One shooter was stopped but not until he killed a whole bunch of people in the church, and left the church and tried to run away.

Almost doesn't count.

People who don't own guns should put a sign on their homes indicating such, so that perps will break into those houses of us fearful people with guns. We'll see how that works...