What am I missing? RBG is dead.

Glenn Beck has been working on his "natural herd immunity". He KEEPS getting it. And "Uncle" Phil Valentine a radio show host of Nashville, Tn. fame rode his "natural immunity" all the way to the PEARLY GATES. Many have followed him.......about 800,000! Good old "individual freedom of choice" - got to love it!

We are having a nice, congenial, civilized DEBATE - right now. Got to LOVE it.

The Executive Branch has made decisions in the past during emergency times. I must in clear conscience, after studying the issue, believe that today's WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC is a TRUE emergency.

First it was get the vaccine and you wont get COVID...then they change to get the vaccine and booster and you wont get seriously ill.

As of today, they are saying those that are vaccinated and die from it had serious underlying health issues as co-morbidities is the reason.

Well DUHHHHH

Now just how many people in the 60-80 yr old range do any of us know without SOME kind of underlying health issue???

Always an excuse as to WHY the vaccine did not do what it was intended/touted to do, and they and the vaccine are not to blame, YOU ARE!

I'm just amazed how easy people just blindly follow someone who has turned this country inside out with wrong choices/decisions and yet still hang on his continued empty promises and assurances. Especially given the email leaks that are showing that Fauci has known all along about the gain of function research backdoor and denial.

Has ANYONE noticed death rates are not reported? It is all about the number of infected and how quickly this new variant spreads? That is because there are NOT the deaths to use as fear tactics, or they would be reporting them for sure. Even here locally, the "less than 10" deaths is being used in reporting for Sumter, Lady Lake and Fruitland Park. Well, 9 deaths is WAY different than 0 deaths, but they both fall under the "less than 10" deaths reported.

To say pediatric cases in ICU have doubled, does that mean from 1 to 2 admits, or are we talking 1000's???

They speak vaguely when it suits their agenda and they can't refute the obvious, which is the vaccines are not working to keep it from being caught or spread.

Actually, it makes PERFECT sense when one reads between the lines. If it were spelled out, then it would be less interesting than having to contemplate or research the meaning. It is the same thing that directors of famous movies do to create a "buzz" - various endings are sometimes enjoyed by an audience.

Mandate
 

Get a vaccine or lose your job. I may have missed something. Is there a mandate get a vaccine or lose your welfare? Or get a vaccine or lose your food stamps? Or get a vaccine or lose your free everything if you are in the country illegally? There must be, and I just missed it, right

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.

Do you really need to have the difference between a "mandate" and a "law" explained to you?

What Is an Executive Order?

This spells it out. You will find all of these in a law library for instance.

Supreme Court blocks Biden Covid vaccine mandate for businesses, allows health-care worker rule

On what planet in what universe?????

Actually, we do track "that stuff' and 95% of the ICU beds a re UNvaccinated.

Unvaccinated ARE THE PROBLEM, no matter how many times the liars repeat they're not.

Access Denied

This gives details in the thinking behind this.

The US was a Democracy when I grew up in the 60s and 70s (and before). Polio shots were "mandated" by Federal Government Agencies. There was a national mandate for the "Soil Bank" for farmers and ranchers - they were PAID to NOT FARM! Was that Federal overreach - some kind of socialism or communist plot? What about the doctrine of "eminent domain" ....another quasi-government "socialism" take-over? What about when the Federal requires an MMR shot (note...not jab) or an RSV vaccination? What about the Federal Government paying the oil companies for drilling - years after it was unnecessary - where is the OUTCRY against that.
No! Today's anti-vaxx movement is a fairly recent development (about 10 to 15 years). And yes, there was some early "live virus" vaccines around 1940 or whenever, that got some early anti-vaxxing going. But, medical science was less knowledgable then vs today. And, if we don't slip into some dark ages from WW3, medical science will be more impressive in 2050. Today's anti-vaxx movement is stronger than earlier versions due to the linking of some religious believers, Russian propagandists, intellectual laziness, and chaotic social and cultural thinking grabbing hold of US minds.
.......Basically, we have anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-certain groups, and anti-science types - all leading to anti-democracy. So SAD!

So, you'd be fine if the guy who does your colonoscopy says "nah - I don't feel like washing my hands today, and no one better dare mandate that."

Or your dentist say "oh - that dirt on the drill? That's from the last guy we used it on. Clean it? Since when does anyone mandate what we do with our own equipment? Open up...."

Or the rec center say "we don't have to put "caution, wet floor" cones on the tile after washing them - no one can mandate that."

(here's a clue: the government can absolutely mandate ALL of those things. And they DO mandate that).

You're okay with all the above, so why do you object to knowing that the nurse who takes care of your sick spouse at the hospital is vaccinated?

Also I'm thinking I'll just start parking in handicap spots from now on. Because the government shouldn't be mandating who gets to park closer to Publix than anyone else. And if I feel like blocking the wheelchair ramp with my car at the curb, you need to just relax and wait til I'm darned good and ready to move. To heck with the ADA, screw those mandates.

Science is my most favorite subject, especially the Old Testament

Actually, my post was about the subject of debates. And I threw in some Historic references. it was all fairly factual and straightforward. There was little, if anything, opinionating there. And "mandates" were not mentioned. Maybe in one of my other posts??????

The Planet - Strange Villagerland. There are a few such orbiting around us in the "outer fringes"!

Now..... I need a translator. That one has sown seeds of confusion in my "insane in the membrane" area. Could that be a Butthead or Beavis reference??????

they should have the right to decide for themselves whether or not to get a vaccine of any sorts

Ask yourself, then why should a woman put her body through pregnancy for 9 months if it makes YOU feel better?

Try reading the post that I responded to. Big difference between what I said and what you interpret what I said. I never said that prudence should be discarded. I responded to his warped idea of what a dictatorship is in this regard. I never said that we should not have laws. YOU want it to seem that way so you exaggerate what someone says.

How would that make someone feel better? You might wish to use a better example. Why dont' you use something like "should I eat a salad so that I make you feel better?" Should we make a law banning Big Gulps because it makes someone else feel better? Oh wait.........

No, actually the idea of allowing "anti-" anything by freedom of one's choice is a form of "democracy." Besides, as you know we live in a Republic, not a democracy.
My opinion is that if one chooses one path or another, it is a form of Freedom. It may be a terrible choice, but they had the satisfaction of making their own choice. And yes, I am also against laws requiring seatbelts and motorcycle helmets. I wear them when I do not have to, but that is my decision. I do not need anyone making that decision for me. If you take away one's decision making, you do not have a democracy, you have a drone of the powers that be.

Vaccinated people carry a higher viral load? Really? Please provide a link to that information.

Boosters have been proven to not make a difference? Really? Please provide a link to that information.

Thanks.

BBC news is very neutral. I watch BBC news and all those injuries and deaths from the vaccine have not been reported. If it were true that the vaccines are THAT dangerous, do you honestly think our government would be advocating these vaccines, let alone mandating them?

Of course I'm aware the vaccinated are catching and spreading Covid. What they aren't doing in numbers of any consequence is glutting hospital beds. The vaccinated are catching the virus but are not dying in huge numbers either. Most people hospitalized with Covid are UN-vaccinated.

I typed up pretty much the same response to that poster but deleted it before posting it. Do agree with you.

UN-vaccinated are more apt to be hospitalized with Covid. THAT is a problem. Vaccinated people with strong immune systems are not taking up hospital beds in the numbers that UN-vaccinated people are.

I think at this point in time. most people who are aware of what is going on in this world are very much aware that vaccinated people do catch and transmit Covid so there is no "lie" being perpetuated.

YUP, he most certainly is.

Weren't we originally told that the mRNA vaccines had a 95% efficacy at neutralizing the virus? That is not 100% so we were not guaranteed to not become infected. There was always that 5% that could contract Covid. BUT>>>>>>>we were told that those 5% would not die of Covid. Well, that didn't work out the way we were promised. Turns out the vaccines did not work so well for people who are immunocompromised.

We were also informed that the mRNA vaccines were not developed as "sterilizing vaccines", meaning these vaccines do not sterilize the virus. The virus can still replicate in vaccinated people which means vaccinated people can contract the virus. I knew that very early on. I read an awful lot. There were no secrets out there.

No, we were initially told that getting the vaccine had a 90ish% rate of PREVENTING one for catching Covid.

Then, they moved the goal posts and told us that oh, sorry but you can still get covid, take this booster....

Then, they said "never mind" you'll probably need a 4th booster and what we really meant all along was that you wouldn't get as sick if you caught covid if vaccinated...

Your 5% "loophole" is a cop out...

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you. The choice is there. Do you see anyone being tied down and a hypodermic needle being thrust into their arm without their consent? I don't. There most certainly is a choice and choices have consequences.

I know, right?