Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2050152)

Science is my most favorite subject, especially the Old Testament

Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109 (Post 2049913)

As Jean Kirkpatrick once said
“You’re all entitled to your opinions, even if you’re wrong”
I haven’t been sick in 20 years. Why should I put something in my body to make YOU feel better. Last year the healthcare workers were hero’s, now you think they’re bad for making a choice that affects them. How hypocritical

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2050150)

So, you'd be fine if the guy who does your colonoscopy says "nah - I don't feel like washing my hands today, and no one better dare mandate that."

Or your dentist say "oh - that dirt on the drill? That's from the last guy we used it on. Clean it? Since when does anyone mandate what we do with our own equipment? Open up...."

Or the rec center say "we don't have to put "caution, wet floor" cones on the tile after washing them - no one can mandate that."

(here's a clue: the government can absolutely mandate ALL of those things. And they DO mandate that).

You're okay with all the above, so why do you object to knowing that the nurse who takes care of your sick spouse at the hospital is vaccinated?

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 2050320)

Ask yourself, then why should a woman put her body through pregnancy for 9 months if it makes YOU feel better?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2050147)

The US was a Democracy when I grew up in the 60s and 70s (and before). Polio shots were "mandated" by Federal Government Agencies. There was a national mandate for the "Soil Bank" for farmers and ranchers - they were PAID to NOT FARM! Was that Federal overreach - some kind of socialism or communist plot? What about the doctrine of "eminent domain" ....another quasi-government "socialism" take-over? What about when the Federal requires an MMR shot (note...not jab) or an RSV vaccination? What about the Federal Government paying the oil companies for drilling - years after it was unnecessary - where is the OUTCRY against that.
No! Today's anti-vaxx movement is a fairly recent development (about 10 to 15 years). And yes, there was some early "live virus" vaccines around 1940 or whenever, that got some early anti-vaxxing going. But, medical science was less knowledgable then vs today. And, if we don't slip into some dark ages from WW3, medical science will be more impressive in 2050. Today's anti-vaxx movement is stronger than earlier versions due to the linking of some religious believers, Russian propagandists, intellectual laziness, and chaotic social and cultural thinking grabbing hold of US minds.
.......Basically, we have anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-certain groups, and anti-science types - all leading to anti-democracy. So SAD!

Originally Posted by flflowers (Post 2049937)

Don't know why you always dis on the unvaccinated, they are unvaccinated for personal reasons, everyone is different,....when vaccinated carry a higher viral load, so unvaccinated should be more afraid of you.... vaccinated can get AND transmit covid so what difference does it make? get your one hundred boosters that have been proven to not make a difference and move on with your life....

Originally Posted by taruffi57 (Post 2049958)

No one in America - who get their news from television, is being told of the MASSIVE numbers of injured and dead from these "vaccines". Why do you think medical personnel have refused the shots? Couldn't be that they know the truth, could it? How about myocarditis in boys/young men, after jabs? Even The CDC, VAERS, WHO, many respected medical research findings, untold #s of doctors, and even the heads of Health Departments in some Countries..warning of injuries. Why then are draconian restrictions being exacted against we citizens.
"something ain't right".

Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2049973)

Apparently you aren't seeing that the vaccinated are catching and spreading the current covid variant ... so this decision makes little sense to me.

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2050023)

Don't think he was wishing anything, just stating facts. Unvaxed are the ones dying and then weaken immune.....sad...but pretty much sums it up

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2050036)

Unvaccinated are not the problem; no matter how many times that lie is repeated. The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated whether symptomatic or not. That is truth. That is science.

100% vaccinated cruise ship cancels cruise and returns. Tell me again how getting vaccinated allows you to take cruises and roam the planet without a mask.

Passengers stuck at sea after Norwegian cancels cruise mid-voyage | TheHill

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2050069)

95% of medical Doctors and medical staff are FULLY vaccinated! ONE UN-vaccinated Doctor in Leesburg died of Covid. Funny how the anti-vaxxers use the term "jab" instead of vaccination. The term vaccination MUST frighten them! I find that hilarious. The former President IS fully vaccinated AND boosted.

Originally Posted by Koapaka (Post 2050082)

First it was get the vaccine and you wont get COVID...then they change to get the vaccine and booster and you wont get seriously ill.

As of today, they are saying those that are vaccinated and die from it had serious underlying health issues as co-morbidities is the reason.

Well DUHHHHH

Now just how many people in the 60-80 yr old range do any of us know without SOME kind of underlying health issue???

Always an excuse as to WHY the vaccine did not do what it was intended/touted to do, and they and the vaccine are not to blame, YOU ARE!

I'm just amazed how easy people just blindly follow someone who has turned this country inside out with wrong choices/decisions and yet still hang on his continued empty promises and assurances. Especially given the email leaks that are showing that Fauci has known all along about the gain of function research backdoor and denial.

Has ANYONE noticed death rates are not reported? It is all about the number of infected and how quickly this new variant spreads? That is because there are NOT the deaths to use as fear tactics, or they would be reporting them for sure. Even here locally, the "less than 10" deaths is being used in reporting for Sumter, Lady Lake and Fruitland Park. Well, 9 deaths is WAY different than 0 deaths, but they both fall under the "less than 10" deaths reported.

To say pediatric cases in ICU have doubled, does that mean from 1 to 2 admits, or are we talking 1000's???

They speak vaguely when it suits their agenda and they can't refute the obvious, which is the vaccines are not working to keep it from being caught or spread.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2050520)

Weren't we originally told that the mRNA vaccines had a 95% efficacy at neutralizing the virus. That is not 100% so we were not guaranteed to not become infected. There was always that 5% that could contract Covid. BUT>>>>>>>we were told that those 5% would not die of Covid. Well, that didn't work out the way we were promised. Turns out the vaccines did not work so well for people who are immunocompromised.

We were also informed that the mRNA vaccines were not developed as "sterilizing vaccines", meaning these vaccines do not sterilize the virus. The virus can still replicate in vaccinated people which means vaccinated people can contract the virus. I knew that very early on. I read an awful lot. There were no secrets out there.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2050093)

What do you think "mandates" are? They are a form of "dictatorship" because someone else is making your decision for you and you have NO choice. That ain't no Democracy that I know of.