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Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1792367)

Your story aside, you & many others still seem to be missing the point.
Bubba Wallace, "NASCAR's only Black full-time driver" didn't find the noose. A member of his team did. It truly seems to be a coincidence that it was hanging in the garage stall he was assigned, but is apparently unique in all of NASCAR. "Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall." NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR
That being the case, what would this team member assume? That a rope fashioned with an actual noose at the end meant nothing? Even with the dark history of lynchings in the past? This wouldn't even have been the first time that a noose was purposely left as a symbol of hate & bigotry in recent times. Fortunately, it turned out to have been directed at no one in particular, but who could have known that at the moment it was found? Under those circumstance, nearly anyone would have reported it. Just because it turned out to have been unintentional, it doesn't make it a hoax.

Nearly anyone would have reported it? If it had been there for months than probably many people have seen and even used it. So I believe many people ignored it and took it for what they thought it was, namely a rope with a clever loop. Some may have thought it was a cleverly done noose for the door but they didn't make the dark connection. One person saw it and made that connection, either right or wrong. Nascar could have investigated it without making it a national upheaval. Why didn't they? That's a very interesting question. Let's say the noose was done with ill intentions. Should it have gotten to this level? Remember Nascar is a business. How many businesses deal with racially sensitive situations each and every day, hundreds, thousands? Should each one be national news and ammunition for chaos? For some the answer might be yes. For others, like me, the answer is punish wrong doers for their actions but don't use individual incidents to push a political narrative or as an excuse to use it for violence. How many swastikas are painted on the side of Jewish homes and synagogues? How many make the news? Maybe swastikas really don't have any bad memories for Jews. Oh, Jews are white, never mind. There are so, so many horrible things happening everyday in this world, things that don't simply hurt feels but actually take lives and we make a monumental deal of a rope fashioned like a noose. So much for our priorities.

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1792413)

"Under those circumstances, nearly anyone would have reported it." Were Bubba & his crew using that stall during the months the noose was there? It sure doesn't sound like it. That would definitely be part of the circumstances.
Who knows why NASCAR called the FBI? The hoopla has mostly died down in the press; no so much here on ToTV however.
Swastikas? Synagogues? Can we even keep on topic here? This is news, whether worthy or not, because of the racial turmoil going on at the moment in this country. Denying & excusing what IS A NOOSE doesn't make it go away. I'll be all too happy to drop the subject as soon as all that stuff stops.

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Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1792463)

"Under those circumstances, nearly anyone would have reported it." Were Bubba & his crew using that stall during the months the noose was there? It sure doesn't sound like it. That would definitely be part of the circumstances.
Who knows why NASCAR called the FBI? The hoopla has mostly died down in the press; no so much here on ToTV however.
Swastikas? Synagogues? Can we even keep on topic here? This is news, whether worthy or not, because of the racial turmoil going on at the moment in this country. Denying & excusing what IS A NOOSE doesn't make it go away. I'll be all too happy to drop the subject as soon as all that stuff stops.

Nailed it. :thumbup:

We have a bunch of liars in this nation, who pathetically and weakly profess that they don't know EXACTLY the history of lynching black people by racist mobs and the use of nooses...solely to try and intimidate black people.

I won't go so far as saying that every single one of these people are full-blown racists, but if you're pretending that you don't know that nooses have been, and continue to be, used to try and terrorize black people in this country or want to try and minimize this form of intimidation/terrorizing...then the likelihood that you're part of the problem goes up significantly. :ohdear:

In other words, to those people I say...you're not fooling anyone. :oops:

Anyone who sees that as noose has never seen one, there is no resemblance. I’ve seen a lot of ropes with loops on garage doors so you can grip easily to no slip and cause a rope burn on your hand. Most today have a wood handle but if the break they just tie a loop to grip.

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I MUST say - I personally am SO SICK & TIRED of this topic, I am turning my brain OFF to this matter. Done - but IT DID EXACTLY what the Media and others wanted - it was simply a PERFECT Fit for this quote from Rahm Emanuel, a former mayor of Chicago and a former Democratic congressman from Illinois. He served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama from 2009 to 2010.

“Never allow a good crisis go to waste. It’s an opportunity to do the things you once thought were impossible.”
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This is just a thought, this reaction to symbols could it be PTSD?

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1791900)

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.

The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose, and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

My my we've been busy. Gosh that Nascar noose photo sure looks scary. Big thick rope and huge loop with lots of nasty coils at the top. Only problem is, the closeup photo was designed to look scary and the noose isn't a noose. Nascar photographer Bob Pockrass showed on twitter a photo he took of the same garage and "noose" in October 2019. You can see it's not a thick rope, probably 1/4 inch, and the loop is maybe 3-4 inches wide. You couldn't fit a baby's head through that loop.

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Nascar President Steve Phelps, seeing his companies image getting hammered on social media, probably said I want the scariest closeup of the noose we have! Stat!!

It's not a noose anyway. How do I know? Well I tied several knots exactly like that last night on my friends boat 20 miles offshore from Tarpon Springs. We use knots like that for leaders or hook when we are going after big strong fish like Groupers. Once you tighten down the knot and trim the tag line, it looks just like the Nascar photo. But it is not a noose, no matter how hard you pull on the loop, it does not tighten, even if you are a 500 pound grouper. Pull on an actual noose, and the loop tightens.

Video: how to tie a Duncan loop knot

Fishing Knots: How to Tie a Duncan Loop Knot - YouTube

Here's one on a swimming pool thermometer, pretty scary!

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So Bubba's noose is not a noose, as the FBI described it " a garage door pull down rope fashioned like a noose" Even Bubba knows it's not a noose, he described it on the today show as "Not a functioning noose, but it is a noose." Bubba and Nascar can call it a noose and seem to like to, but IT IS KNOT A NOOSE :)

So do I still think this is a hoax? Yes indeed and here's why.

The Nascar photo of the "noose" was taken Sunday afternoon, we know this because you can see puddles on the pavement, rain was reason race on Sunday was postponed until Monday. According to Nascar's published timeline, Nascar was notified of the incident at 4:30 PM on Sunday and they immediately sent a team to investigate. At this time the "noose" was still attached to the garage pull down rope. Later on Sunday Phelps had a tearful briefing with Bubba where he shared details and undoubtably photos of the "noose" Both Nascar and Bubba put out breathless and heroic statements of the disgusting racial hate incident.

On Monday Morning, Nascar called FBI and they sent 15 agents to investigate the crime scene and view the horrible nooselike loop knot on the garage pull down rope. The noose was cut down as shown in photos taken Monday

On Monday at 1:12 PM Nascar Prez Steve Phelps held a press teleconference, answering various questions.

Q. Can you confirm, was the rope the rope that normally you would pull down the garage door?

STEVE PHELPS: I am not sure. I have no information on that.

That's straight up lies right there, why would I trust another word he says?

So nobody from the Nascar team that was sent to the garage the day before had briefed the President of the company that the "noose" was at the end of the garage pull down rope and showed him photos? :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Later Monday they had the beautiful cathartic photo op with all the drivers pushing Bubba's car. It was super woke.

On Tuesday The FBI announced it was not a racial hate crime, the 'Noose" had been there since October 2019, and a Wood Brothers racing team member had seen it when they used the same garage.

So all the hoopla about a racial hate crime was milked for all it's worth even though Nascar knew it was just a garage pull down rope with a loop knot and not a functioning noose on the very first day. How admirable.

About those 1600 garages Nascar had surveyed and the only one with a "noose" was Bubbas? There are photos all over the internet of loops on the garage door ropes at numerous Talladega garages from 2017 and on. I guess they all just majically disappeared before this incident. Or maybe Phelps told his team, I want every door inspected and if there are any loops, untie them and report to me that none were found. Remember, he's getting hammered in social media, and he's a corporate executive. They never tell fibs do they?

Also, in the Nascar photo, on the left you can see part of a person standing there. He is wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019 on Sunday, or at the latest early Monday morning.

That rope in the Nascar image does look brand new doesn't it? Maybe Nascar mechanics wash their hands a lot. Doesn't really matter, they pushed a hoax when they knew the truth was something different.

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Photo of Bubba's boat on his Instagram. At least we know Bubba knows how to tie a bowline loop knot.

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To me, there is much more anger than most experience so we all must be missing some really, really bad stuff.

I just don't like being the brunt of someone's unresolved awful experiences and I don't think being this angry helps anyone. I get the feeling that some posters think all people who are not him or think like him or vote like him are all the same. I think a lot of how we look at things has much to do with our early lives and our innate intelligence which is just an accident of birth. Some people are born smarter than others. Some people are born more intuitive than others. Some people can see through schemes and pretension and propaganda and unrealistic solutions. And some cannot. EVER.

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