[Taltarzac725]

Chicago Experts, Officials Weigh in After Miami Beach Condo Building Collapse – NBC Chicago

My father handled catastrophes for Fireman's Fund Insurance Company in the early 1990s. This brings back memories for me of some of places he visited back then.

I was watching the news and one of the missing people at Surfside told her son that she had been woken by loud creaking sounds the night before this awful event occurred.

https://twitter.com/search?q=surfsid...Ctwgr%5Esearch

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Chicago Experts, Officials Weigh in After Miami Beach Condo Building Collapse – NBC Chicago

My father handled catastrophes for Fireman's Fund Insurance Company in the early 1990s. This brings back memories for me of some of places he visited back then.

I was watching the news and one of the missing people at Surfside told her son that she had been woken by loud creaking sounds the night before this awful event occurred.

https://twitter.com/search?q=surfsid...Ctwgr%5Esearch

Hurricane Andrew - Wikipedia

Recall he worked on Hurricane Andrew but not sure if he had been promoted to Fireman Fund's Catastrophe Manager by then. He retired around 1996 or late 1995.

[Malsua]

I read somewhere that there was corrosion remediation that was scheduled to begin but I can't re-find that article.

I'll also note that there are exposed pillars in the area below the condos that is used for parking. They would be constantly exposed to salt air so possibly compromised. Maybe someone drove into one of them? When they finally unpack all the rubble, there may be more answers.

What a terrible thing to happen. I suspect this will change the building codes as much as Andrew did. This can't be allowed to happen again.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'd heard there was other development going on in the general vicinity, and that the pile-drivers might have caused vibrations strong enough to cause an already-compromised building to collapse. Considering the salt air corrosion on exposed pillars in the garage, the fact that the building was over 40 years old and already slated for repairs, sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

So horrible and senseless. And the developers keep on developing.

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=OrangeBlossomBaby;1965084]I'd heard there was other development going on in the general vicinity, and that the pile-drivers might have caused vibrations strong enough to cause an already-compromised building to collapse. Considering the salt air corrosion on exposed pillars in the garage, the fact that the building was over 40 years old and already slated for repairs, sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

So horrible and senseless. And the developers keep on developing.[/QUOTE]

Of course developers keep developing. The US population grew by 1,600,000 people last year, during a slow growth year. Those people have to live somewhere…

[Becca9800]

NYT: Engineer warned of structural damage in 2018. Of course they knew, this kind of disaster doesn't just sneak up on you.

[MIBlumps]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1965086]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'd heard there was other development going on in the general vicinity, and that the pile-drivers might have caused vibrations strong enough to cause an already-compromised building to collapse. Considering the salt air corrosion on exposed pillars in the garage, the fact that the building was over 40 years old and already slated for repairs, sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

So horrible and senseless. And the developers keep on developing.[/QUOTE]

Of course developers keep developing. The US population grew by 1,600,000 people last year, during a slow growth year. Those people have to live somewhere…

Yup. And of course that somewhere HAS to be within 100 yards of the ocean.

[tvbound]

It is definitely a horrible tragedy. I can't imagine having family or friends in the building and watching the slow (for good reasons), and so far unsuccessful, progress from the search crews. As for those currently classified as missing, I recall the story of the guy in his bed who was swallowed by a sinkhole and thinking how terrible THAT must have been - and it was only one person. If it were me in something like this, I would hope to be totally asleep, as I can't even imagine the abject horror, terror and feeling of helplessness if awake - as it was happening.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by tvbound

It is definitely a horrible tragedy. I can't imagine having family or friends in the building and watching the slow (for good reasons), and so far unsuccessful, progress from the search crews. As for those currently classified as missing, I recall the story of the guy in his bed who was swallowed by a sinkhole and thinking how terrible THAT must have been - and it was only one person. If it were me in something like this, I would hope to be totally asleep, as I can't even imagine the abject horror, terror and feeling of helplessness if awake - as it was happening.

List of structural failures and collapses - Wikipedia

Looked up the history of these structural failings.

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=MIBlumps;1965409]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Yup. And of course that somewhere HAS to be within 100 yards of the ocean.

And of course every building that has ever collapsed has been within 100 yards of the ocean. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[RedChariot]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

NYT: Engineer warned of structural damage in 2018. Of course they knew, this kind of disaster doesn't just sneak up on you.

Considering what happens at Surf side, does this raise concern regarding the Lake Sumter Bridge? Are there not structural issues there? Is that going to come down as Villagers are driving across it?

[Rr23070]

Such a lot of meaningless speculation…

[George Page]

A real Tragedy, unlike getting undercooked English muffins at The Flying Biscuit.

[J1ceasar]

Cya. It means cover your ass, of course every engineer will say that. There aren't any buildings in the world that there are defects after 40 years or problems. Our famous empire State building has issues thousands of bridges and thousands of schools have asbestos as well well not structural is a definite problem. So that every engineer if they want to maintain their good standing will say that there are problems

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

Considering what happens at Surf side, does this raise concern regarding the Lake Sumter Bridge? Are there not structural issues there? Is that going to come down as Villagers are driving across it?

Oh please! A bridge in TV come down because a condo collapsed on the beach in Miami? Yeah I see the correlation.
Lets see, we have:
A car hit a support beam
Vibrations from construction down the street
Warnings by hearing creaking noises a few days before
Ridiculous guesses and thats what they are…guesses
How about the logical and almost confirmed fact: structural damage was found 3 years ago due to leakage in the pool area and garages and nothing was done about it. Basicly, a sink hole. Thats not confirmed but at least is a documented fact and plausible. A sink hole can occur anywhere and I believe TV had an area a few years ago. So, worrying about a bridge collapsing, a house imploding etc is a waste of time. You wont have warning until it occurs. Or, you can have signs and stick your head in the sand and ignore it like most do. How about we just wait and see the investigation conclusion.