Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2043141)

I totally agree. This is why I usually way over tip in Waffle House and undertip in upscale restaurants. The establishment and amenities are already priced into the meal.

So, if you just consider SERVICE the Waffle House waitress takes your order, fills your coffee cup 2 or 3 times, brings your meal, calls you sweetie, and brings the bill. Say you ordered eggs and bacon. With coffee less than 10 bucks. 20% tip?- $2.00.

A steak at Chop House and 2 glasses of wine. About the same service (again ignore the atmosphere - you pay for that in the meal) and the bill is around 50 bucks. 20% tip? - $10.

Stupid custom. I wish the servers were just paid a decent wage and there was no tipping like in many European countries.

Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2043141)

I totally agree. This is why I usually way over tip in Waffle House and undertip in upscale restaurants. The establishment and amenities are already priced into the meal.

So, if you just consider SERVICE the Waffle House waitress takes your order, fills your coffee cup 2 or 3 times, brings your meal, calls you sweetie, and brings the bill. Say you ordered eggs and bacon. With coffee less than 10 bucks. 20% tip?- $2.00.

A steak at Chop House and 2 glasses of wine. About the same service (again ignore the atmosphere - you pay for that in the meal) and the bill is around 50 bucks. 20% tip? - $10.

Stupid custom. I wish the servers were just paid a decent wage and there was no tipping like in many European countries.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2043004)

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2043004)

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2043004)

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2043108)

Tip jars are getting out of hand.

Originally Posted by alwann (Post 2043103)

Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?

Originally Posted by trxi6565 (Post 2043527)

I have been a waitress for over 40 years… I made an art out of serving people and was always (almost) tipped well. This nonsense of tipping people who pour you a coffee or take your order is just that…pure nonsense

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2043004)

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 2043004)

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Read this article on Yahoo just now.

Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return

Imagine you’re in line at a coffee shop. You order your usual cappuccino and swipe your credit card to pay. Then the cashier swivels a little screen that prompts you for a tip – before the espresso shot is pulled or a drop of milk steamed.

Do you tip more, perhaps hoping that it will lead to a better drink? Or less or none at all, peeved at being asked to reward service that hasn’t happened yet? Do you feel pressured into tipping the suggested amounts, which can equate to more than half the price of the drink?
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Unsure how many places in The Villages may do this. But I absolutely recall this at Panera in Lake Sumter a couple years ago. They seemed to have a new method, if paying by credit card - the order-taker would swing the screen around towards you to press OK after pressing the TIP amount. Of course you COULD press 0, and OK. But in the 3 cases we ordered she would hover right over the screen to watch your entry. Intimidating. We stopped going to Panera about 2 years ago for other reasons, but this was a reason too.

Now we are good tippers - unless the service was NOT good, always tip 20% or more. But when (kinda) pressed to tip - at a quick service place, uh, that's a bit over the top. The first time this happened at Panera and she 'hovered' I think I pressed 15%, the next couple times, 0.

It's one thing to have a tip jar at Quick service places, but...

Not sure if Panera or others still do this in TV....


Customers hate tipping before they're served – and asking makes them less likely to return
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