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ElDiabloJoe 12-28-2021 04:45 PM
Yes, cash tips are so the draconian IRS gets what's theirs and not one cent more. They waste so much of the money they get from us on ridiculous programs and policies. I only need the Federal government to provide the basics, primarily military defense, civil order (police), infrastructure (roads, highways, etc.) and fire protection. I do not need them to supply all of the globe with free cell phones and meals when they illegally cross our border. I don't need them to give my income to other countries under the guise of keeping them reliant upon us.

The IRS already taxes the income, then the use of it (Sales tax) and now they want to take a percentage of some hard working server's pin money? Pfffth.

As for tipping, percentage goes up to 25-30% for me when a server does one of the rare tasks that few perform any longer, like actually boxing my leftovers instead of just brining me an empty box to do it myself.

Stu from NYC 12-28-2021 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2043768)

The IRS already taxes the income, then the use of it (Sales tax) and now they want to take a percentage of some hard working server's pin money? Pfffth.

As for tipping, percentage goes up to 25-30% for me when a server does one of the rare tasks that few perform any longer, like actually boxing my leftovers instead of just brining me an empty box to do it myself.
We pay tax on our income why should servers not have to do the same?

retiredguy123 12-28-2021 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2043780)
We pay tax on our income why should servers not have to do the same?
I agree. But, it's not just the servers who can hide the cash tip income. It reduces the restaurant's gross credit card income, which the banks report to the IRS. The servers are required to pay income taxes, based on 8 percent of the restaurant's overall gross proceeds, and prorated to each server. The servers get a W-2 for that amount.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-28-2021 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2043766)
I'm curious. Some people will pay for a restaurant meal with a credit card, but will only use cash for the tip. Are you trying to assist the server and the restaurant in cheating on their taxes, are you trying to hide the tip amount from the server's employer, or is there another reason? Regardless, it seems deceptive.

I always pay cash in a restaurant that will not allow the credit card transaction to be completed in my presence. I never allow my credit card to be taken into another room. But, if I pay with a credit card, I add the tip to the card. It seems like the upfront way to do it.
then you must be paying cash for most of your meals , I am not worried where they take my card and I would be losing out on a lot of cash back revenue if I paid in cash . The reason I like to tip in cash is that I over tip and if staff is pooling there tips it gives a person that I’m happy with a few more dollars , what they do with the extra money is there business not mine, and getting back to credit card worry , luckily I’ve never had credit card abused and so what if it is , your not paying for the theft., I can also tell you that being a good tipper can help you get a drink quicker at a crowded bar and a quicker table , also I think the people complaining about the tip jars seem to want the business to ease there guilt or annoyance about the tip jars at the expense of there employees . I have perfect solution for those people JUST SAY No !!!

DAVES 12-28-2021 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by alwann (Post 2043103)
Question: Let's say it's a dinner out. Do you base your tip on the pre-tax total or after tax? Basing a tip of the total including tax can make a big difference, either for you or the server.

Rant: Also, did you ever think about how illogical the tipping scheme is? It's based on the cost of the meal. Not on how much effort went into serving it. Suppose I get the filet mignon and tip 20% on a $40 dinner. The guy in the booth behind me gets meatloaf and tips 20% on a $15 meal. My waiter gets $8 tip. The meatloaf server gets $3.00. Same amount of service. Sure, I understand tips are usually pooled and shared, but not always. What's more, the hardest working staffers, the cooks, may not get any of the tip money.

Rant 2: Where will this stop? Tip jars are showing up everywhere. My local Winn-Dixie had tip jars at the check-outs. They weren't there when the minimum wage was lower. What's next: tip the doctor for giving you a correct diagnosis?
Often the tips are pooled and divided. In some places the owner takes a cut of the total.
Waiters often prefer not to take a large group. Often, people in a large group look at all the money going to the tip and tip less.

DAVES 12-28-2021 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2043790)
I agree. But, it's not just the servers who can hide the cash tip income. It reduces the restaurant's gross credit card income, which the banks report to the IRS. The servers are required to pay income taxes, based on 8 percent of the restaurant's overall gross proceeds, and prorated to each server. The servers get a W-2 for that amount.
The days of a CASH business have mostly ended. Those credit cards, most of them, that 2% or so back is paid for in credit card fees to the business. The business of course adds it into the price charged. It is interesting that a business almost must take credit cards and their contract with the credit card companies says they cannot offer a CASH discount.

JMintzer 12-28-2021 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2043815)
The days of a CASH business have mostly ended. Those credit cards, most of them, that 2% or so back is paid for in credit card fees to the business. The business of course adds it into the price charged. It is interesting that a business almost must take credit cards and their contract with the credit card companies says they cannot offer a CASH discount.
That is why, whenever possible, I try to leave a CASH tip... I want the server to get the tip. If they pool it later in the evening, that's not my concern. Not my circus, not my monkeys...

trxi6565 12-28-2021 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Travelhunter123 (Post 2043532)
I have a question for you, if the total bill includes an $80 bottle of wine, should I include a 20% tip on the wine
I always Tip on the entire bill...Wine and all...assuming the service was good

DaleDivine 12-28-2021 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 2043112)
Tipping has gotten out of hand. Again where will it end? I travel to the Chinese or pizza to pick up the food myself. Why do I have to tip the person that hands me the food? Delivery absolutely.
I agree but nowadays most places add in tips for drivers.

:ohdear::ohdear::bigbow:

ThirdOfFive 12-29-2021 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2043766)
I'm curious. Some people will pay for a restaurant meal with a credit card, but will only use cash for the tip. Are you trying to assist the server and the restaurant in cheating on their taxes, are you trying to hide the tip amount from the server's employer, or is there another reason? Regardless, it seems deceptive.

I always pay cash in a restaurant that will not allow the credit card transaction to be completed in my presence. I never allow my credit card to be taken into another room. But, if I pay with a credit card, I add the tip to the card. It seems like the upfront way to do it.
I always leave cash for a tip when I can. To my mind is is a more personal approach, showing the server how much I appreciated his/her service. Much better than the credit card tip.

I understand that in a lot of restaurants the tips go into a common fund which is then doled out, percentage-wise, to all the workers. I've never been one to subscribe to the ethic of "to each according to his need". I've been in restaurants where the food has been average at best but the service, exceptional. When I leave cash, especially a tip larger than the usual percentage, I ALWAYS inform the wait person (and sometimes the manager) of my opinion both of the food and the service.

What they choose to do with the tip I left after I leave is up to them. But they'll at least know why I left it.

retiredguy123 12-29-2021 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2043814)
Often the tips are pooled and divided. In some places the owner takes a cut of the total.
Waiters often prefer not to take a large group. Often, people in a large group look at all the money going to the tip and tip less.
Note that tip income is the property of the server, not the restaurant owner. The restaurant can require that tips be pooled and shared among other employees who normally receive tips. But, it is illegal for the restaurant owner to take a cut of the tip income. It is also illegal for other non-tipped employees, like cooks and dish washers, to receive a cut of the tip income.

Stu from NYC 12-29-2021 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2043939)
Note that tip income is the property of the server, not the restaurant owner. The restaurant can require that tips be pooled and shared among other employees who normally receive tips. But, it is illegal for the restaurant owner to take a cut of the tip income. It is also illegal for other non-tipped employees, like cooks and dish washers, to receive a cut of the tip income.
Is that Florida or nationally making it illegal for pooling to be offered to cooks and dishwashers?.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-29-2021 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2043939)
Note that tip income is the property of the server, not the restaurant owner. The restaurant can require that tips be pooled and shared among other employees who normally receive tips. But, it is illegal for the restaurant owner to take a cut of the tip income. It is also illegal for other non-tipped employees, like cooks and dish washers, to receive a cut of the tip income.
if a restaurant takes a tip credit for waitstaff they don’t have to share there tips , if the restaurant does not take a tip credit they may be required to share with kitchen help

retiredguy123 12-29-2021 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2043947)
Is that Florida or nationally making it illegal for pooling to be offered to cooks and dishwashers?.
State and federal law, according to this link.

Florida Laws for Tipped Employees | Nolo

retiredguy123 12-29-2021 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2043955)
if a restaurant takes a tip credit for waitstaff they don’t have to share there tips , if the restaurant does not take a tip credit they may be required to share with kitchen help
Do you have a source for that information? If the tip income is the property of the server, I don't understand how the employer can give it to someone else, who never receives tips.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-29-2021 10:42 AM
Goggle is your friend but I already knew this

retiredguy123 12-29-2021 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2043955)
if a restaurant takes a tip credit for waitstaff they don’t have to share there tips , if the restaurant does not take a tip credit they may be required to share with kitchen help
Correct. But, if the employer does not take the credit, then they must pay the minimum wage to the server directly. So, apparently, the server would receive the minimum wage plus their share of the pooled tip income that could include cooks and dish washers, but not the owner.

Stu from NYC 12-29-2021 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2044000)
Whatever your always right anyway
A discussion works better when folks are polite to each other.


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