[mike234]

Originally Posted by Mac1996

What about all the illegals coming in that the government is flying all over this great country.

good question...why won't the media ask the White House where these illegals are being sent to...

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

The media/govern needs a smoke screen to what is really going on in this country. If they really care about the virus they wouldn't let untested illegals walk into our country and then just keep sending them throughout our country, at taxpayer expense. Control.

this can not be debunked nor are the photos of maskless governors eating at $5000 dollar dinners or flying to the islands while dictating you stay in your house. Why did the CDC pull the PCR tests from emergency use because of unreliability last Friday but today our friends in the govt are telling us cases are on the rise using same test. Why did Jane Goodall tell us population of the world should be 500 million?

[Boffin]

[tuccillo]

People continue to get this wrong. The "95%" number is the reported efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines during their Phase 3 trials. This number is the ratio of the number of positive cases for the control group and the number of positive cases for the test group. You will need to read the Phase 3 trial reports for the exact definition of a "positive" case as they differ between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. The J&J Phase 3 trial reported a lower efficacy number but their trial population and time of their trial was significantly different than the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials so direct comparisons are not valid.

The correct interpretation of the "95%" number is that your probability of contracting the virus if you are vaccinated and exposed to the virus is reduced by a factor of 20x when compared to someone who is not vaccinated and is exposed to the virus. There is no 5% who are going to get COVID even if they are vaccinated. Another results of the Phase 3 trials is that your probability of hospitalization and death is very remote if you are vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Swoop

95% is Pfizer’s stated effective rate. That’s where the 5% comes from… The CDC states a breakthrough rate of .007%. Yet it is becoming more apparent that the actual breakthrough rate is much higher. So now the narrative has changed from - if you’re fully vaccinated you can’t get Covid, to - well yeah, you can still get it, but it won’t be as bad…
We are still learning about these vaccines, but that’s not uncommon during a trial…

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

Fully vaccinated people continue to be well protected against severe disease and death, even with Delta, but so-called breakthrough cases, where a person gets infected despite being fully vaccinated, are on the rise. Because of that, many experts continue to advise caution, even if fully vaccinated. - Web MD

The CEO is looking at all countries where the vaccine is used. We (in the US) got our shots a little later than, say, Israel which serves like a canary in a coal mine and the protective effect of the vaccine is starting to wane. They have already started the third shots for the very vulnerable.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

this can not be debunked nor are the photos of maskless governors eating at $5000 dollar dinners or flying to the islands while dictating you stay in your house. Why did the CDC pull the PCR tests from emergency use because of unreliability last Friday but today our friends in the govt are telling us cases are on the rise using same test. Why did Jane Goodall tell us population of the world should be 500 million?

Control. They love control and don't want to give it up. Kings and queens.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

People continue to get this wrong. The "95%" number is the reported efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines during their Phase 3 trials. This number is the ratio of the number of positive cases for the control group and the number of positive cases for the test group. You will need to read the Phase 3 trial reports for the exact definition of a "positive" case as they differ between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. The J&J Phase 3 trial reported a lower efficacy number but their trial population and time of their trial was significantly different than the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials so direct comparisons are not valid.

The correct interpretation of the "95%" number is that your probability of contracting the virus if you are vaccinated and exposed to the virus is reduced by a factor of 20x when compared to someone who is not vaccinated and is exposed to the virus. There is no 5% who are going to get COVID even if they are vaccinated. Another results of the Phase 3 trials is that your probability of hospitalization and death is very remote if you are vaccinated.

Thank you, you are correct. But most people still won't understand that

[Beyond The Wall]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

“If we’re going to talk about traveling to the U.K., then we should also caution Americans about traveling to Florida,” Hilton said. “Right now, one in every five new COVID cases are coming out of Florida.”

During a press briefing Friday, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients said four states accounted for more than 40% of all cases in the past week, with 20% of new cases occurring in Florida alone.

In Florida, only 47% of the population is fully vaccinated as the state is seeing an average of 55.1 daily new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people, the highest rate in the country, according to data from the Brown School of Public Health. And according to the Florida Department of Health's weekly COVID-19 report, the number of new COVID-19 cases nearly doubled in the state last week from the prior week."

From: Delta variant: Doctor cautions Americans about traveling to Florida

How many hospitalizations? Cases mean nothing especially with the now CDC recalled PCR test. Still no explanation why vaccinated persons should mask up. It’s all about control. No real rise in cases in northeast. Blue states do it better? They get their surge in fall when people start heading indoors. If the sheeple let another lockdown occur the economy will look like Mexico, etc.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

How many hospitalizations? Cases mean nothing especially with the now CDC recalled PCR test. Still no explanation why vaccinated persons should mask up. It’s all about control. No real rise in cases in northeast. Blue states do it better? They get their surge in fall when people start heading indoors. If the sheeple let another lockdown occur the economy will look like Mexico, etc.

No it won't, all the Mexicans are here

[Beyond The Wall]

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No it won't, all the Mexicans are here

America the land of the free and home of the brave is no longer. We have been conquered and now occupied. Population replacement in full flow. Good luck to you all.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

if one doesn't realize we are in eugenics and depopulation mode its because one doesn't want to know. For those who say gov't is here to help you, Sorry about your luck.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

Though there is a difference in how cases are counted, it actually works out to be about 20x worse than a bad flu season.
Flu estimates

CDC count of Covid Cases, 0-64, as of 7/22: 23.8M
CDC count of Covid deaths, 0-64, as of 7/17: 124,396

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

99 % of those who get it under 70 recover. That is less then a bad flu season. The scaredemic continues! I know TV population has a lot of people above 70. Protect yourself. Test for WuFlu recalled . Too unreliable since it diagnoses Wu and seasonal flu as one and the same! Most cases in Florida were diagnosed AFTER they came in for something else. Smells fishy. Do your own research . Don’t rely on media.

Sorry, but there is very little if anything accurate about that statement.

A "bad" flu season results in 65-70,000 deaths, mostly among those over 75 and under 2, and mostly because flu vaccines are nowhere near as effective as COVID vaccines. We have over 600,000 COVID "deaths", and while the count is most probably biased, even if it was only a third of that it is much worse than a "bad" flu season. I agree that there is some unreliability in the COVID test, especially in the vaccinated, but it is specific for the spike protein of COVID and therefore does not pick up seasonal flu.
And yes, some cases were picked up incidentally, but I would dispute the term "most"

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Really? How many vaccinated people have had Covid and then had a reinfection? I haven't heard of any other than maybe that golfer but then that is even suspect.

There are NOT many, but enough to have a name for the situation - it is called "breakthroughs". It did NOT happen before the Delta variant, which has 1,000 times the viral load in SOME (small %) of asymptomatic VACCINATED people's noses. The greater viral load is WHY they can pass it on to the UNvaccinated - and the main reason WHY new CDC guidance ASKS ALL people to wear masks indoors. It mostly protects others.