[Andyb]

This COVID “vaccine” is not a vaccine, but rather gene therapy. People under 40 have almost a zero chance of dying from it, especially fit service people. I don’t blame them.

[Marine1974]

So your saying all first responders should not be able to do their job if their not going to get vaccinated. What if 2/3 of the first responders refuse and your 911 call doesn’t get
dispatched ? Will you think the same way ?

[Dgodin]

Originally Posted by Michread

- The Associated Press


They are smarter than we think they are!

My son, still on active duty, confirmed the shot is optional, which, as anyone familiar with the military knows, is unusual. This is because the shot is under an EUA and not fully FDA approved. You can bet that the shot will be mandatory after full FDA approval, if not before.

If these people were really smart they'd get it now rather than risk losing worldwide deployability later.

[Marine1974]

You can’t just replace 2/3 of the military in a day . And what’s to say recruitment will go down to
1/3 of quotas if a vaccination is required . You think they should
start the draft ?

[Marine1974]

You can’t put 2/3 of the military in the brig can you .

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by 44Apple

To anyone, don't want the Covid vaccine? Fine, just don't start whining when you find yourself on a ventilator.

With fewer than 3% of those who get Covid ending up on a ventilator, I don’t see the direct correlation...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Cheapbas

Please provide the direct web link to this data. The information I get is there are NO direct links between the COVID shot and deaths. Only that there were deaths of people 77 and over who had received the vaccine, but it was not determined those deaths were due to the vaccine.

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

Look in the thread, I already did...I posted the CDC page...

The table was created through a database search available HERE

Be sure to click on the optional "Adverse Event Description" to see the comments that were entered.

Remember, correlation does not prove causation. Old people die, people with Covid die, many other people die every day. I personally believe there will be cases of the vaccine causing deaths - just logical that it might happen but I absolutely do not believe that every death in this database was caused by the vaccine, particularly when the comments state just that.

[Marine1974]

Eligible for deployment where ?

[linus69]

The way I remember it when I enlisted in the USN it was simply put then that you were now government property and even getting a tattoo was looked at like defacing and endangering govt. property and could get you discharged. We were given no choices on what vaccinations we would accept or not accept. You stood in line and an airgun vaccinator shot it into your arm and you moved down to the next shot station. I don`t see how refusing a shot is any different than deciding what orders you are going to obey or not obey. On a floating city like an Aircraft Carrier or tight quarters like a Submarine how can it work if only part of the crew is protected and others are not, it can`t so I am not buying this.

[RICH1]

It's because they are Tough, and the Vaccine will weaken them!

[RICH1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The table was created through a database search available HERE

Be sure to click on the optional "Adverse Event Description" to see the comments that were entered.

Remember, correlation does not prove causation. Old people die, people with Covid die, many other people die every day. I personally believe there will be cases of the vaccine causing deaths - just logical that it might happen but I absolutely do not believe that every death in this database was caused by the vaccine, particularly when the comments state just that.

Many had underlying conditions! Some didn't know they had. I guess the older we get the more susceptible we are to medical issues..... interesting that the WHO recently found over 13 Strains of this Virus in Dec of 2019...How long did Foreign Intelligence know about this! The crime is in the Cover-up.

[dtennent]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

These are reports of death after the vaccine was administered. It does not conclude that the vaccine is the cause of death. Here is a quote from the CDC website on the Vaccine Reporting Event Reporting system.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

From the following link, the CDC says that 52 million doses have been administered through Feb 14 with 934 deaths after the vaccine. (See Above). This means there were 0.018% deaths and those weren't confirmed to be caused by the vaccine.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

Sounds like the vaccine is very safe to me.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Does this report include follow up investigation to see if the vaccine actually was directly responsible for the deaths? The article I just posted by the CDC states they always investigate deaths reported and request medical records to do their investigation. NO death was found to be a direct cause from the vaccines. That was my take away from the CDC article I posted.

EDIT: The above quoted comment does not include the graph you posted for some reason. I don't know why that happened.

The CDC also stated that only 6% of the recorded Covid deaths occurred in people without other pre existing conditions. In fact the vast majority had four or more comorbidities. So is “your take” on this the same? That the majority of Covid recorded deaths were not directly caused by the virus?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Cobullymom

here is the latest update...500+ reported deaths..

Thank you for posting the chart in post # 23. That chart is from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. The law requires a report be made for any event that occurs after a vaccination. The report must be made even if the vaccination is not believed to be the cause of the adverse event, it simply is used to trigger investigation. Death is a mandated event to be reported. In any population of older people, those getting the vaccines to date, there will be deaths. So far 64 million doses have been given in the US.

Now as to your claim that there are 500+ reported deaths. You are wrong because you didn't read the chart carefully. The chart you are showing displays all the reported deaths from all vaccines, not just Covid vaccines. In fact the chart shows 196 reported deaths from the Pfizer and 173 from the Moderna product, or 369 deaths.

I don't see a date on your chart, but even if the data is a week old, and the reports take some time to make it onto the data, is it surprising that 400 people might have died within 2 weeks of a vaccination? The average daily death rate in the US is 7000 per day, all ages included. So in a 2 week period almost 100,000 Americans die.

Nothing on the chart you posted says that the deaths were caused by vaccination. But even if it were vaccine related, a disease that has killed 1.8% of identified cases [500,000 /28,000,000] is far more dangerous than a vaccine that kills 0.00058% of its recipients [369/64000000]

Further the CDC has published its analysis of all adverse events during the early period of vaccination, for shots given Dec 14 to Jan 13. There were ~14 million doses given and 113 reported deaths, mostly in Long term care facilities. In that highly at risk of death due to age and disease, the death rate following vaccine was 0.000807142 % and the CDC report says:

A total of 113 deaths were reported to VAERS, including 78 (65%) among LTCF residents; available information from death certificates, autopsy reports, medical records, and clinical descriptions from VAERS reports and health care providers did not suggest any causal relationship between COVID-19 vaccination and death.

In summary, the number you cited was wrong, the implication you made that vaccines have been shown to cause deaths is unsupported and per the CDC wrong, and even if the vaccines did kill every person whose death is temporally related to vaccination, it would still be safer by 1000's percent than not getting vaccinated.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by dtennent

These are reports of death after the vaccine was administered. It does not conclude that the vaccine is the cause of death. Here is a quote from the CDC website on the Vaccine Reporting Event Reporting system.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

From the following link, the CDC says that 52 million doses have been administered through Feb 14 with 934 deaths after the vaccine. (See Above). This means there were 0.018% deaths and those weren't confirmed to be caused by the vaccine.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

Sounds like the vaccine is very safe to me.

That is the update from two months of vaccine administration. You however made a small decimal point error. The correct percent is 0.0018% reported, one tenth of what you wrote.