To anyone, don't want the Covid vaccine? Fine, just don't start whining when you find yourself on a ventilator.

doesn’t make COVID sense to me.

If we want to control the virus, we have to control the variants. If we want to control the variants, we need to manage it coming into the USA. If you’re in the army, I can’t see you leaving without that jab. Maybe the 1/3rd are staying home.

Maybe they've done their research & know what's in it.

Perhaps we should close down the internet!

Thinking is not allowed in the military!
 

Actually one third of the military is refusing the vaccination. The military frowns on thinking for yourself so expect it to be mandatory soon.

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This COVID “vaccine” is not a vaccine, but rather gene therapy. People under 40 have almost a zero chance of dying from it, especially fit service people. I don’t blame them.

So your saying all first responders should not be able to do their job if their not going to get vaccinated. What if 2/3 of the first responders refuse and your 911 call doesn’t get
dispatched ? Will you think the same way ?

My son, still on active duty, confirmed the shot is optional, which, as anyone familiar with the military knows, is unusual. This is because the shot is under an EUA and not fully FDA approved. You can bet that the shot will be mandatory after full FDA approval, if not before.

If these people were really smart they'd get it now rather than risk losing worldwide deployability later.

You can’t just replace 2/3 of the military in a day . And what’s to say recruitment will go down to
1/3 of quotas if a vaccination is required . You think they should
start the draft ?

You can’t put 2/3 of the military in the brig can you .

With fewer than 3% of those who get Covid ending up on a ventilator, I don’t see the direct correlation...

The table was created through a database search available HERE

Be sure to click on the optional "Adverse Event Description" to see the comments that were entered.

Remember, correlation does not prove causation. Old people die, people with Covid die, many other people die every day. I personally believe there will be cases of the vaccine causing deaths - just logical that it might happen but I absolutely do not believe that every death in this database was caused by the vaccine, particularly when the comments state just that.

Eligible for deployment where ?

The way I remember it when I enlisted in the USN it was simply put then that you were now government property and even getting a tattoo was looked at like defacing and endangering govt. property and could get you discharged. We were given no choices on what vaccinations we would accept or not accept. You stood in line and an airgun vaccinator shot it into your arm and you moved down to the next shot station. I don`t see how refusing a shot is any different than deciding what orders you are going to obey or not obey. On a floating city like an Aircraft Carrier or tight quarters like a Submarine how can it work if only part of the crew is protected and others are not, it can`t so I am not buying this.

It's because they are Tough, and the Vaccine will weaken them!

Many had underlying conditions! Some didn't know they had. I guess the older we get the more susceptible we are to medical issues..... interesting that the WHO recently found over 13 Strains of this Virus in Dec of 2019...How long did Foreign Intelligence know about this! The crime is in the Cover-up.

These are reports of death after the vaccine was administered. It does not conclude that the vaccine is the cause of death. Here is a quote from the CDC website on the Vaccine Reporting Event Reporting system.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

From the following link, the CDC says that 52 million doses have been administered through Feb 14 with 934 deaths after the vaccine. (See Above). This means there were 0.018% deaths and those weren't confirmed to be caused by the vaccine.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

Sounds like the vaccine is very safe to me.

The CDC also stated that only 6% of the recorded Covid deaths occurred in people without other pre existing conditions. In fact the vast majority had four or more comorbidities. So is “your take” on this the same? That the majority of Covid recorded deaths were not directly caused by the virus?

Thank you for posting the chart in post # 23. That chart is from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. The law requires a report be made for any event that occurs after a vaccination. The report must be made even if the vaccination is not believed to be the cause of the adverse event, it simply is used to trigger investigation. Death is a mandated event to be reported. In any population of older people, those getting the vaccines to date, there will be deaths. So far 64 million doses have been given in the US.

Now as to your claim that there are 500+ reported deaths. You are wrong because you didn't read the chart carefully. The chart you are showing displays all the reported deaths from all vaccines, not just Covid vaccines. In fact the chart shows 196 reported deaths from the Pfizer and 173 from the Moderna product, or 369 deaths.

I don't see a date on your chart, but even if the data is a week old, and the reports take some time to make it onto the data, is it surprising that 400 people might have died within 2 weeks of a vaccination? The average daily death rate in the US is 7000 per day, all ages included. So in a 2 week period almost 100,000 Americans die.

Nothing on the chart you posted says that the deaths were caused by vaccination. But even if it were vaccine related, a disease that has killed 1.8% of identified cases [500,000 /28,000,000] is far more dangerous than a vaccine that kills 0.00058% of its recipients [369/64000000]

Further the CDC has published its analysis of all adverse events during the early period of vaccination, for shots given Dec 14 to Jan 13. There were ~14 million doses given and 113 reported deaths, mostly in Long term care facilities. In that highly at risk of death due to age and disease, the death rate following vaccine was 0.000807142 % and the CDC report says:
In summary, the number you cited was wrong, the implication you made that vaccines have been shown to cause deaths is unsupported and per the CDC wrong, and even if the vaccines did kill every person whose death is temporally related to vaccination, it would still be safer by 1000's percent than not getting vaccinated.

That is the update from two months of vaccine administration. You however made a small decimal point error. The correct percent is 0.0018% reported, one tenth of what you wrote.

I'd like to add a comment on those attacking the OP for the statement

Two thirds of some units of the US ARMY are refusing mRNA shot

This is what happens if you don't post a link
The statement is true because is says "some units"

Thousands of service members saying no to Covid vaccine

Yep, that's reality in a nutshell. Since Damn near every Deployable location and country week probably require it, articles like this are Pulp Fiction and may even have a political spin.

I think 'refusing' is an inaccurate term in the military.

Plus, there's this scenario where you are given a choice of postings.. Hawaii or Montana in the winter. Vaccine gets you Hawaii.......

Just a thought.... because whenever you move around in the military there is a list of required vaccines. Pretty much sure covid will be on that list....

Correct me if I am wrong, but I understood the shot only protects you from getting I'll from the virus, but doesnt keep you from carrying it or giving it to others. I believe that is why they say to continue wearing mask and social distancing?
Therefore, unless you actively have the virus, anyone, in any profession should have no reason not to go to work, especially if those around them have had the shots, as they are protected.

They are indeed disappointing if this is true.(??????)

Makes me wonder a lot of things. Times change.

The Vaccine is safe and if you are older can save your life. If you are younger getting it can save someone else's life.

Our military has always been the bravest and ready to put out every effort for the greater good.

If you do not take the vaccine and get Covid, what is the percentage of survival?

There is a good chance that if we do NOT get 80 to 85 % of the US population vaccinated, then CV will be with us FOREVER. And as shown by CV's propensity to mutate, with more victims/hosts to work with, then our FUTURE Plague will make our current problem - just a "walk in the park".

Your age and your current state of health will impact your survival rate. But based on the overall numbers, the survival rate of those who get the virus is 99%.

That sounds more like reality. Yet a 66% vaccination rate probably isn't good enough for the strong herd immunity that could eliminate the CV as a large problem. Dr. Fauci said that 80 to 85 % was needed. Hopefully, a lot of people just don't want to be the 1st to get the shot and will get it later after they see no terrible side effects. Then we may get a higher % vaccination rate.

Opening sentence says 2/3 agreeing.

I think the reason they have a choice is that this is not formally FDA approved. Rather, the vaccines have Emergency Use Authorization. If/when vaccines get formal approval troops would no longer have a choice.

About a third of those offered the vaccine have turned it down, according to Maj. Gen. Jeff Taliaferro, the Joint Staff’s vice director for operations.

If I were in the hospital lying there hoping to be safe and we were chatting late at night as some nice medical people do sometimes with people who can't sleep, and you told me you had elected not to get the vaccine, I would lose a great deal of faith in almost everything you do there in the hospital. Every medical person in my little world, and I literally have six nurse friends all named Karen, two named Sandee and six others with other monikers and we chat on Facebook and they are all planning to get the vaccine against Covid-19 or have done so...

Can you tell us if you have an anaphylactic response to something in the vaccine, or you wonder about long time after effects??? Or perhaps you are very young, in your twenties or thirties?

Why do you say it's "GENE THERAPY". Gene therapy is a valid treatment for some diseases. At University of Cincinnati, some years ago, they were able to alter a cell and have it "piggyback" on a cold virus into the lungs of a person with Cystic Fibrosis. It altered some lung cells in such a way to help the patient live longer.

I believe that this vaccine challenges the body's own defenses in the regular way and soon your macrophages, your soldiers, are lining up to attack it and in some cases making you sick doing it. I consider my bodies response to the second shot just that. I was tired, had headaches and ghost pains that "bit" me here and there. A very typical response to your body recognizing an invader and getting ready for it.

Military Opting out of Covid vaccine
 

Because the Covid vaccine was not fully tested and has EMERGENCY APPROVAL ONLY, military personelli are not required to participate at this time. Once fully tested completely and fully approved (With no emergency approval) they will all be required to get the vaccine.

Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death. However, if you die in a car accident it is Covid related. Follow the money.

As I was saying;

This is a fairly good explanation as to how the vaccine works. (I don't see any money to follow)

Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work | CDC

I disagree with the whole army or military being eligible to receive the vaccine. The CDC recommends hospital workers 1st and then over 75, then over 65. Older people have the highest potential to clog up our hospitals, so I agree with the CDC. The military personnel are relatively young and healthy - I would think that logically they should be relatively last to receive a shot? States are changing CDC guidelines and the military also. It goes against medicine and science. The vaccine rollout seems arbitrary and confused.

OP, you are wrong. Please read the news again.

HAWAII NEWS:

As many military personnel receive the coronavirus vaccine, 1 in 3 decide to opt out.

Well if the Naval Ship, has a 80% Covid positive, and unable to perform, and there was a issue, a solution is available.

Just recruit all the 65 to 85yo to replace them. Nothing like life experience, and a Covid shot, to keep our country safe