Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1798749)

No, the actual problem is violent people. A gun is not a demonic talisman that changes a choirboy into a violent animal with the urge to kill everyone. That urge to kill is already there in the heart of the killer. When society acknowledges this and works to solve that problem, the number killings will drop.
Claiming guns are responsible for shootings is like saying a spoon is responsible for people being fat.

Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1798660)

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1798282)

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given. In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1798282)

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given. In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system.

Originally Posted by 2mnydogs (Post 1798614)

I agree that the actions of rogue cops needs to be addressed. There are many sociopaths carrying guns with the sole intent to shoot someone. Sadly, some of them are cops. However there is a two-headed snake at work here. Out of control youth, whether they be white, black, brown or yellow. They are looting, because now they can. They are killing each other and collateral innocents because now they can. They have no fear, no respect, no family values and no self respect. Parents have lost control and have no idea about how to regain it. If anything is systemic, this is where it started - absentee parents.

Originally Posted by Jima64 (Post 1798623)

Group doing the most complaining doing the most killing , but hey, easy because they can blame the problems on others. I say hone those shooting skills and lock and load,

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1798087)

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63 people were shot, 16 fatally between 6 p.m. Friday and 11:59 p.m. Sunday.
Three of those fatal shootings victims were minors, police said.


The KILLINGS CONTINUE - Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen?

NOPE>>> Chicago

I was born/raised in the city - B on B violence has always been a very sad problem.
BUT...now - inner city Chicago USA is our Kabul Afghanistan.

Every week - new records of killings. Every week, virtual silence, esp by Minority Leaders. Where are THEY? Oh yeah - at Black Lives Matter rallies. Yeah - BLM if a law enforcement officer is involved. If it's their gangs or bros, shhhh. Hard to believe that so many of our minority people need to live (or die) in crime-ridden areas as that. One solution = Defund Police. That should do it.

WHEN will this unbelievable issue get the Media notoriety and Community action it deserves? until then...shhhh.

CHICAGO VIOLENCE
Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city

CHICAGO'S CRIME WAVEPublished 3 hours ago
Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed
"We are making progress ... but we have to do better," Mayor Lori Lightfoot says

CHICAGO SHOOTING
Chicago violence: 7 children killed in shootings in last 2 weeks, police say
Chicago murders, shootings rose sharply in June 2020, police say

Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city - ABC7 Chicago

Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed | Fox News
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Maybe they should just let them keep shooting each other. Blacks, Whites, Antifa, BLM....ALL of them. Let them thin the herd to a manageable level. Just try to protect all the kids.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1798757)

Personally I thought it was a fork but learn something new every day.

I have no problem with people owning guns, sure have lots of people around here owning firearms but do believe it should come with some sort of background check.

Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1798756)

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...well, I'd guess it was just a matter of time - someplace, somewhere.
A U.S. City official breaks the ice and finally... (from Mayor of Atlanta)>


ATLANTA Published 8 hours agoLast Update 11 mins ago
Atlanta mayor calls for citizens to stop 'shooting each other' after murder of 8-year-old near BLM protest site

Bottoms, a Democrat who is considered a potential running mate for Joe Biden, made the remarks as she fought through tears -- and the nation endured a new bout of urban carnage. Sixty-three people were injured and 17 killed in Chicago, including two children, over the weekend; and in New York City, 44 were hurt and at least six killed.

“Enough is enough," Bottoms said. "Enough is enough. We have talked about this movement that's happening across America and this moment in time when we have the ears and the interests of people across this country and across this globe who are saying they want to see change. But the difference in this moment in time with the civil rights movement -- in the civil rights movement, there was a defined, common enemy. We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up on our streets."

She continued: "You shot and killed a baby. And there wasn’t just one shooter; there were at least two shooters. An 8-year-old baby. If you want people to take us seriously, and you don't want us to lose this movement, then we can't lose each other."

"It has to stop," Bottoms added, according to FOX 5 Atlanta. "You can't blame this on police officers. It's about people who shot a baby in a car. We're doing each other more harm than any officer on this force."

Victim's father: 'They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own'

"They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own," Williamson said. "They killed my baby because she crossed a barrier and made a U-turn? You killed a child. She didn't do nothing to nobody. Black Lives Matter? You killing your own. You killed an 8-year-old child. She ain't did nothing to no one of y'all. She just wanted to get home to see her cousin. That's all she wanted to do."


Atlanta mayor calls for citizens to stop '''shooting each other''' after murder of 8-year-old near BLM protest site | Fox News

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Now - will this sadness be taken seriously, especially by the News Media and Minority Leaders?

Originally Posted by Hogfan55 (Post 1798765)

The easiest way to get a gun is to steal it: that’s why criminals will always have guns. It’s much harder for a law abiding citizen like myself to get a gun yet the law abiding citizen is always the one the politicians go after. If they would just enforce the laws on the books and put some teeth in the sentencing for felons with guns and using a gun to commit a crime it may put a dent in the problem. Chicago has always had tough gun laws and look at the murder rate. These aren’t people getting guns legally.