[Accidental1]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

I fail to see much similarity between the gang violence that goes on in cities all around this country and this mass murder of inocents in a high school. I wonder how many instances of gang murder are initiated by a parent buying the gangster a gun as a present? I'm guessing not many.

[msilagy]

You need to read the social media posts the mother made and the shooter himself plus the texts she sent her son. They need to do jail time for sure. This is a tragedy that could of been avoided on so many levels, the school included.

[Professor]

They bought the kid the gun. Why would a 15 year old need a hand gun? They are guilty of being stupid if nothing else...

[allsport]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

When a parent buys a gun for a kid that has behavior problems and the parent tells the kid not to get caught the next time he does something illegal and the parents are on the lamb, any lawyer will tell you they are in deep deep trouble. It has nothing to do with a 2 parent family. Redo your information source.

[crash]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Report I read said dad bought the gun, kid took it from unlocked drawer.
Who knows?

Yes you are correct dad bought gun and did not lock it up. Patents called to school because of issues he has the gun in his back pack. Parents leave him at school and his mother texts him don’t do it then runs when he does. No culpability there righttttttt.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Luggage

It's great that your father taught you respect for guns, but at any age in childhood you cannot have the same mental capabilities as an adult and I have heard plenty of stories of children playing with the guns and shooting each other at ages of young as four to eight. And especially that your father kept them unlocked is a shocking Revelation that I could have happened in your family just as easily, you were extremely lucky that it did not happen

The two biggest reasons for gun deaths and woundings in America are, by far; 1. poor (or no) parenting, and 2. an irrational fear of guns coupled with little (or no) understanding of them.

[Susan1717]

I’m from chicago and although it sure seems the Michigan parents were negligent I do agree regarding many other parents! You brought up an eye opener. Hundreds and hundreds of minors in chicago are committing crimes and murder, running around at all hours with guns. Many times, the kids haven’t seen their parents in days. Not only is Foxx letting these criminals right out of jail, but it starts with the household. The parent(s) of these kids should be held responsible as well. If the home life’s aren’t being changed, the cycle continues. There is zero help or changes I see in the chicago inner cities, except that the crime is now out of control and there are no longer any safe neighborhoods.

[Petersweeney]

Why doesn’t anyone talk about these crazy video games kids are playing? They are programming the brain to think there is no consequences to shooting…..

[Ptmckiou]

Apparently, the parents are perceived as being grossly negligent.

1. First, they purchased the firearm for their son for Christmas. He posted pics of it with him all over his social media and bragged. He is a minor and that’s illegal.

2. The kid was at school searching on his phone for ammunition for the gun, and his mother text message to him “Just don’t get caught. LOL.”

3. The day of the shooting, school officials met with the parents and kid and requested the parents take him out of school. They refused. The school showed the parents the disturbing picture their son drew and was found in his desk….kids shot and blood everywhere. Parents still refused to take son out of school.

4. While in the meeting, the son left the meeting while the parents were still talking with the school staff. At some point, the mother texted the son “Don't do it.” …it was a some point shortly afterwards that he shot all his classmates…4 dead, 7 wounded.

Parents withdrew $4000 from their bank accounts the next day and did not turn themselves in when charges were filed. They were finally found in an abandoned warehouse in another town by a top. He appeared they were hiding out,

We shall see how it plays out, but not looking good for the parents, because it seems they knew their son was troubled, allowed access to a gun ( supposedly bought it for him for Xmas), and refused to address at school the son’s behavior and actions prior to the event. Don’t know if the school had the legal means to demand the parents take the kid home, but there could be some liability there too.

[rpalumberi]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

obviously not in all cases but I believe in general parents have responsibility for the conduct of their minor children (while they are living at home), I monitored their activities on social media and otherwise to the best of our ability - not easy, I also endeavored to be a model for them to follow, there were things I would have done differently but that's part of the parenting journey you chose to undertake when you make that decision to bring children into the world

[forebubba]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

Maybe we need more good students with guns to stop a bad student with a gun.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Ptmckiou

Apparently, the parents are perceived as being grossly negligent.

1. First, they purchased the firearm for their son for Christmas. He posted pics of it with him all over his social media and bragged. He is a minor and that’s illegal.

2. The kid was at school searching on his phone for ammunition for the gun, and his mother text message to him “Just don’t get caught. LOL.”

3. The day of the shooting, school officials met with the parents and kid and requested the parents take him out of school. They refused. The school showed the parents the disturbing picture their son drew and was found in his desk….kids shot and blood everywhere. Parents still refused to take son out of school.

4. While in the meeting, the son left the meeting while the parents were still talking with the school staff. At some point, the mother texted the son “Don't do it.” …it was a some point shortly afterwards that he shot all his classmates…4 dead, 7 wounded.

Parents withdrew $4000 from their bank accounts the next day and did not turn themselves in when charges were filed. They were finally found in an abandoned warehouse in another town by a top. He appeared they were hiding out,

We shall see how it plays out, but not looking good for the parents, because it seems they knew their son was troubled, allowed access to a gun ( supposedly bought it for him for Xmas), and refused to address at school the son’s behavior and actions prior to the event. Don’t know if the school had the legal means to demand the parents take the kid home, but there could be some liability there too.

All excellent points.

I firmly believe that much if not most of the ills of our society can be traced directly to bad parenting. The literal explosion of one-parent households coupled with what can best be described as a laissez-faire attitude toward parenting in general has produced a generation that has monsters all out of proportion to that of any other generation. Kids need 1. role-models (both sexes and on a consistent basis), and 2. consistent and fair discipline. Good parenting is no more complicated than that.

[Cliff Fr]

What I can't understand is why in this day and age schools are not able to keep guns and knives out of school? I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment but let's be real, there's no need to have weapons in school. I would think that with common sense and technology we could keep weapons out of school.

[Beplion]

The parents bought the gun for their son! Gave it to him as an early birthday present. Who buys a 9mm for a 15 year old????

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

What I can't understand is why in this day and age schools are not able to keep guns and knives out of school? I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment but let's be real, there's no need to have weapons in school. I would think that with common sense and technology we could keep weapons out of school.

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