parents must be held accountable for their children's actions. This is the only way this madness will stop.

Inaction of the parents, by not locking the gun properly, it certainly one of the main reasons for their prosecution. I have also heard although I am not sure that the police will provide free gun trigger locks in that area of the state. If the gun was a early birthday present I would be totally shocked and further concerned as to the mental culpability of the parents

It's great that your father taught you respect for guns, but at any age in childhood you cannot have the same mental capabilities as an adult and I have heard plenty of stories of children playing with the guns and shooting each other at ages of young as four to eight. And especially that your father kept them unlocked is a shocking Revelation that I could have happened in your family just as easily, you were extremely lucky that it did not happen

you question seems to me to be black and white? why don't you just say it. don't give me that dumb act.

you mean like in New York Chicago and other cities, right? just like to O P asked.

I fail to see much similarity between the gang violence that goes on in cities all around this country and this mass murder of inocents in a high school. I wonder how many instances of gang murder are initiated by a parent buying the gangster a gun as a present? I'm guessing not many.

You need to read the social media posts the mother made and the shooter himself plus the texts she sent her son. They need to do jail time for sure. This is a tragedy that could of been avoided on so many levels, the school included.

They bought the kid the gun. Why would a 15 year old need a hand gun? They are guilty of being stupid if nothing else...

When a parent buys a gun for a kid that has behavior problems and the parent tells the kid not to get caught the next time he does something illegal and the parents are on the lamb, any lawyer will tell you they are in deep deep trouble. It has nothing to do with a 2 parent family. Redo your information source.

Yes you are correct dad bought gun and did not lock it up. Patents called to school because of issues he has the gun in his back pack. Parents leave him at school and his mother texts him don’t do it then runs when he does. No culpability there righttttttt.

The two biggest reasons for gun deaths and woundings in America are, by far; 1. poor (or no) parenting, and 2. an irrational fear of guns coupled with little (or no) understanding of them.

I’m from chicago and although it sure seems the Michigan parents were negligent I do agree regarding many other parents! You brought up an eye opener. Hundreds and hundreds of minors in chicago are committing crimes and murder, running around at all hours with guns. Many times, the kids haven’t seen their parents in days. Not only is Foxx letting these criminals right out of jail, but it starts with the household. The parent(s) of these kids should be held responsible as well. If the home life’s aren’t being changed, the cycle continues. There is zero help or changes I see in the chicago inner cities, except that the crime is now out of control and there are no longer any safe neighborhoods.

Why doesn’t anyone talk about these crazy video games kids are playing? They are programming the brain to think there is no consequences to shooting…..

Apparently, the parents are perceived as being grossly negligent.

1. First, they purchased the firearm for their son for Christmas. He posted pics of it with him all over his social media and bragged. He is a minor and that’s illegal.

2. The kid was at school searching on his phone for ammunition for the gun, and his mother text message to him “Just don’t get caught. LOL.”

3. The day of the shooting, school officials met with the parents and kid and requested the parents take him out of school. They refused. The school showed the parents the disturbing picture their son drew and was found in his desk….kids shot and blood everywhere. Parents still refused to take son out of school.

4. While in the meeting, the son left the meeting while the parents were still talking with the school staff. At some point, the mother texted the son “Don't do it.” …it was a some point shortly afterwards that he shot all his classmates…4 dead, 7 wounded.

Parents withdrew $4000 from their bank accounts the next day and did not turn themselves in when charges were filed. They were finally found in an abandoned warehouse in another town by a top. He appeared they were hiding out,

We shall see how it plays out, but not looking good for the parents, because it seems they knew their son was troubled, allowed access to a gun ( supposedly bought it for him for Xmas), and refused to address at school the son’s behavior and actions prior to the event. Don’t know if the school had the legal means to demand the parents take the kid home, but there could be some liability there too.

parents bear responsibility
 

obviously not in all cases but I believe in general parents have responsibility for the conduct of their minor children (while they are living at home), I monitored their activities on social media and otherwise to the best of our ability - not easy, I also endeavored to be a model for them to follow, there were things I would have done differently but that's part of the parenting journey you chose to undertake when you make that decision to bring children into the world:)

Maybe we need more good students with guns to stop a bad student with a gun.

All excellent points.

I firmly believe that much if not most of the ills of our society can be traced directly to bad parenting. The literal explosion of one-parent households coupled with what can best be described as a laissez-faire attitude toward parenting in general has produced a generation that has monsters all out of proportion to that of any other generation. Kids need 1. role-models (both sexes and on a consistent basis), and 2. consistent and fair discipline. Good parenting is no more complicated than that.

What I can't understand is why in this day and age schools are not able to keep guns and knives out of school? I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment but let's be real, there's no need to have weapons in school. I would think that with common sense and technology we could keep weapons out of school.

The parents bought the gun for their son! Gave it to him as an early birthday present. Who buys a 9mm for a 15 year old????

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Interesting how times change.

Back in the day we used to bring our guns TO school. Gun safety was a class offered a couple of times a year, and consisted of both classroom teaching and instruction on a range near the school. It was nothing to see several kids during the time the class was offered bringing their guns on the school bus (cased, of course). Guns were stored in the principal's office until it was time to use them on the range but ammunition was usually carried loose in our pockets, and no one gave it a second thought.

Oh--and we carried knives too. No self-respecting lad back then would EVER have left the house without is trusty Barlow or Ka-bar. Useful in school especially if the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

Interesting though...back then the three biggest behavior "problems" at school were chewing gum, running in the halls and surreptitiously passing notes in class.

What changed?

When you own a firearm, you have a responsibility.
When you have a child, you have a responsivity.
This couple didn't meet either of these obligations.
It doesn't matter where you live.
At the very least they should be charged with negligence on both counts.

How about charging the school officials with "involuntary manslaughter" for clearly not searching and finding the weapon he ALREADY had in his possession while not being disciplined in a meeting with his parents at the school?

You are a "funny" person. Do some research and listen to accurate news coverage, instead of the Noise cable propaganda networks. Parents bought their son the gun as a Christmas present. They were informed by the school administration of problems with their son at school (i.e. looking for amo on his cell phone, graphic drawings of gun violence in his possession). The school administer school be held accountable for not asking the parents to look through his backpack, when they all met on the morning of the shooting. The parents were irresponsible. Stop making false comparisons because you may be a racist!

The prosecutor outlines the days before the shooting and the parents’ negligence.

The parents should have taken him home when the school called them in. However, the school failed to find out whether the gun was at school. A failure on both sides.


Prosecutor'''s Statement Outlines Events Before Michigan School Shooting - The New York Times

And bullying

Back in the day in country or small towns most pickups had gun rack in back window full of shotguns and rifles.

except, children all over the world play these same video games yet this type of violence happens here.....what's different here? oh, yeah, access to guns.

you know who comes from a one parent household? everyone's righteous 2nd amendment poster child, Kyle Rittenhouse.

there are a lot of unhealthy environments in some two family households.

With all the vitriol on this website I just want to say Merry Christmas to everyone, and please send ammo

How many times has the media posted a false narrative and for months people and even prosecutors run with falsehoods to formulate jury bias. We might want to learn by this.

Maybe better parenting also?

Instead of wondering, you should educate yourself to the circumstances involved in the shooting. The father bought the gun and 3 @ 12 round clips 4 days before the shooting. The timing couldn’t be more “coincidental“. Did the father buy the gun because the son requested him to do so? Was the mother at all involved in the purchase? Was the gun even bought legally? Why wasn’t the gun safely secured? Why did the son even know that the father had bought the gun? Why did the son have access to the gun? Let the police iron this out in the proper fashion to determine where all charges will be placed.

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I am sorry but no minor who is 15 years old, and who was acting out at school, and making threats should be allowed any access to weapons. It was the parents responsibility to make sure all weapons were securely locked up or removed from the home. Minors aren’t allowed to buy guns. they get them from parents who are not properly securing those weapons…plain and simple…..Yes the parents of those inner city hoodlums should also be charged. We need to return to being a nation of laws….not a nation which picks and chooses which laws are prosecuted, and which laws are ignored. Like the current administration is doing!

If the kid did not have a gun handy he might even have stolen an SUV and found a parade of people to run over. Kooks use vehicles, knives, bats, home made bombs, Molotov cocktails, hammers, crowbars, piano wire, anything they can get their hands on to kill.

His parents, judging from their histories, ain't right, either. The kid needed serious psychiatric attention, maybe under lock and key.

You need to read the whole story, then you should understand why the parents were arrested.

Yep, a new world is coming, and this case should be interesting to watch.

He is 15, the parents are still responsible until 18 in most states.

Parents with offspring under 18-year-old are going to be part of a crime is the new world.

Maybe, just maybe parents will be more attentive to what they conceive when the courts come calling.

Duty to Protect
 

The school has a "DUTY TO PROTECT". They have not made public their side of the story,

The real problem here is that we do not know the evidence the Police/Sheriff and District Attorney have in their possession. At the "Preliminary Hearing" more information will become known.

Lets all sit back and wait for the hearing. Oxford as a community in Michigan have four families that are not going to have a very happy Christmas and Holiday Season. The injured students will have lasting memories of what took place. Let the legal system take it's course.

We need to support the plan to allow 18 year olds to drive 60,000 lb tractor trailer rigs down the interstates

They bought the gun and didn’t lock it up. That’s why