[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

What I can't understand is why in this day and age schools are not able to keep guns and knives out of school? I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment but let's be real, there's no need to have weapons in school. I would think that with common sense and technology we could keep weapons out of school.

Interesting how times change.

Back in the day we used to bring our guns TO school. Gun safety was a class offered a couple of times a year, and consisted of both classroom teaching and instruction on a range near the school. It was nothing to see several kids during the time the class was offered bringing their guns on the school bus (cased, of course). Guns were stored in the principal's office until it was time to use them on the range but ammunition was usually carried loose in our pockets, and no one gave it a second thought.

Oh--and we carried knives too. No self-respecting lad back then would EVER have left the house without is trusty Barlow or Ka-bar. Useful in school especially if the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

Interesting though...back then the three biggest behavior "problems" at school were chewing gum, running in the halls and surreptitiously passing notes in class.

What changed?

[Blackbird45]

When you own a firearm, you have a responsibility.
When you have a child, you have a responsivity.
This couple didn't meet either of these obligations.
It doesn't matter where you live.
At the very least they should be charged with negligence on both counts.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

How about charging the school officials with "involuntary manslaughter" for clearly not searching and finding the weapon he ALREADY had in his possession while not being disciplined in a meeting with his parents at the school?

[Proveone]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

You are a "funny" person. Do some research and listen to accurate news coverage, instead of the Noise cable propaganda networks. Parents bought their son the gun as a Christmas present. They were informed by the school administration of problems with their son at school (i.e. looking for amo on his cell phone, graphic drawings of gun violence in his possession). The school administer school be held accountable for not asking the parents to look through his backpack, when they all met on the morning of the shooting. The parents were irresponsible. Stop making false comparisons because you may be a racist!

[macawlaw]

The prosecutor outlines the days before the shooting and the parents’ negligence.

The parents should have taken him home when the school called them in. However, the school failed to find out whether the gun was at school. A failure on both sides.


Prosecutor'''s Statement Outlines Events Before Michigan School Shooting - The New York Times

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

The two biggest reasons for gun deaths and woundings in America are, by far; 1. poor (or no) parenting, and 2. an irrational fear of guns coupled with little (or no) understanding of them.

And bullying

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Interesting how times change.

Back in the day we used to bring our guns TO school. Gun safety was a class offered a couple of times a year, and consisted of both classroom teaching and instruction on a range near the school. It was nothing to see several kids during the time the class was offered bringing their guns on the school bus (cased, of course). Guns were stored in the principal's office until it was time to use them on the range but ammunition was usually carried loose in our pockets, and no one gave it a second thought.

Oh--and we carried knives too. No self-respecting lad back then would EVER have left the house without is trusty Barlow or Ka-bar. Useful in school especially if the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

Interesting though...back then the three biggest behavior "problems" at school were chewing gum, running in the halls and surreptitiously passing notes in class.

What changed?

Back in the day in country or small towns most pickups had gun rack in back window full of shotguns and rifles.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Petersweeney

Why doesn’t anyone talk about these crazy video games kids are playing? They are programming the brain to think there is no consequences to shooting…..

except, children all over the world play these same video games yet this type of violence happens here.....what's different here? oh, yeah, access to guns.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

All excellent points.

I firmly believe that much if not most of the ills of our society can be traced directly to bad parenting. The literal explosion of one-parent households coupled with what can best be described as a laissez-faire attitude toward parenting in general has produced a generation that has monsters all out of proportion to that of any other generation. Kids need 1. role-models (both sexes and on a consistent basis), and 2. consistent and fair discipline. Good parenting is no more complicated than that.

you know who comes from a one parent household? everyone's righteous 2nd amendment poster child, Kyle Rittenhouse.

there are a lot of unhealthy environments in some two family households.

[blueash]

With all the vitriol on this website I just want to say Merry Christmas to everyone, and please send ammo

[Blackmagic]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

How many times has the media posted a false narrative and for months people and even prosecutors run with falsehoods to formulate jury bias. We might want to learn by this.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

except, children all over the world play these same video games yet this type of violence happens here.....what's different here? oh, yeah, access to guns.

Maybe better parenting also?

[Belmont4-150]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

Instead of wondering, you should educate yourself to the circumstances involved in the shooting. The father bought the gun and 3 @ 12 round clips 4 days before the shooting. The timing couldn’t be more “coincidental“. Did the father buy the gun because the son requested him to do so? Was the mother at all involved in the purchase? Was the gun even bought legally? Why wasn’t the gun safely secured? Why did the son even know that the father had bought the gun? Why did the son have access to the gun? Let the police iron this out in the proper fashion to determine where all charges will be placed.

[Ewalsh43]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder in the Michigan school shooting. He will be tried as an adult. Now, his parents have also been arrested and charged with involuntary manslaughter, even though school officials also had information about the possibility that the student could commit a violent crime.

Almost every day, you read about murders and other violent crimes being committed by minors in New York, Chicago, and other cities. But, I rarely hear about their parents being arrested in connection with those crimes. I wonder if the parents of Ethan Crumbley are being penalized because they are married and living in a two-parent family situation, and not in a large city. To me, it seems incredibly inequitable for them to be charged with manslaughter.

I am sorry but no minor who is 15 years old, and who was acting out at school, and making threats should be allowed any access to weapons. It was the parents responsibility to make sure all weapons were securely locked up or removed from the home. Minors aren’t allowed to buy guns. they get them from parents who are not properly securing those weapons…plain and simple…..Yes the parents of those inner city hoodlums should also be charged. We need to return to being a nation of laws….not a nation which picks and chooses which laws are prosecuted, and which laws are ignored. Like the current administration is doing!

[manaboutown]

If the kid did not have a gun handy he might even have stolen an SUV and found a parade of people to run over. Kooks use vehicles, knives, bats, home made bombs, Molotov cocktails, hammers, crowbars, piano wire, anything they can get their hands on to kill.

His parents, judging from their histories, ain't right, either. The kid needed serious psychiatric attention, maybe under lock and key.