If you read that nonsense on You Tube, it was just taken down as false information.

"Policeperson"... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

He said GETTING, not DYING from...

Agree 100%. That being said,
I’m old enough to remember when a CDC employee could overrule the SCOTUS. Crazy times.

Conformational Bias... It's not just for breakfast anymore... :icon_wink:

Then how do you explain that in Britain and Israel, two nations that have 80%+ vaccination rates, that their current level of infections, hospitalizations and death rates are higher than a year ago when the vaccines weren't even available?

This first part is totally factual. The second part is just a guess but I'll bet a friendly beer we will eventually get to that part.

It's just common sense. When they didn't have the vaccines they were in strict lockdown much worse than what we had here and so now society is "open", most people are vaccinated, but they are still getting Covid because the virus hasn't gone away!

That's what most people don't understand. Covid will always be with us until scientists/researchers develop a true, sterilizing vaccine that prevents infection. It's unbelievable to me how people are eager to swallow lies, especially if it comes from the government.

OK but what are we going to do when the small shelf life of the vaccine expires?

The problems you mention aren't the result of COVID but as a result of poor policies by bureaucrats. CV has little or nothing to do with the escalating violence in the country. Violence is escalating because of defund the police, letting BLM get away with their 'mostly peaceful protects', and, primarily, terrible management of our big cities.

But then there's this:

Britain has pursued a mass vaccination strategy as aggressively as any country. It approved Pfizer’s vaccine even before the FDA. More than 80% of Britons are now fully vaccinated.

But Britain is in far worse shape than it was at this time last year, when no one was vaccinated. It is now averaging about 140 deaths a day, roughly 10 times as many as mid-September 2020. And hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise.

There have been no mandates so far for those things you mentioned. I wouldn't get your panties/boxers in a twist over that stuff. Not going to happen. What we are dealing with is a pandemic of the 100 year variety. SOMETHING needs to be done to get it somewhat controlled. I applaud United Airlines for doing something to protect their employees and their customers. There are other benefits to this United Airlines vaccine mandate which have already been mentioned in this thread.

This immigration situation truly sucks and I get what you are saying. But......United Airlines has no control over what is happening at the border. Having said that, United Airlines is looking out for the health and safety of their employees and their customers. The border situation has nothing to do with the decisions United Airlines makes for their company.

Or maybe you're simply missing the point. I'm not anti-vax and in fact have been vaccinated. I am, however, pro-choice. If people don't want to get vaccinated I'm OK with that. I become even more adamant about freedom of choice when a government I don't trust in the least starts to mandate. Most of us are quite capable of making correct decisions without government intervention.

I also believe in the science that finds those that have recovered from CV have far better and longer lasting antibodies. We know the efficacy of the vaccines is short lived. I'm unaware of any studies that make that same claim with natural antibodies. So why in the world would those people even think of putting a foreign substance with possible side effects into their bodies?

I also know children face minimal risk from CV. In fact, CV doesn't even make the top 10 causes of death in children. Why in the world would anyone advocate putting a foreign substance with side effects into growing and developing bodies?

And, if you were really opened minded, you'd be aware of the credible studies out there predicting that the vaccines will very possibly be responsible for variants that pop up. Time will tell if that occurs but I'd be willing to bet a friendly beer that is going to happen.

I have read enough about Dr. Robert Malone to not trust anything the man says. Conspiracy theorist is his middle name.

Does this mean the UN-vaxxed are not contracting the new variant? Please provide a link.

VEARS reports can be submitted by anyone and they can report anything they wish. I would not put it past anti-vaxxers to submit false reports to the detriment of the vaccines.That is purely my opinion but I'll make a wager that actually does occur.

So, have there been any whistle blowers? Waiting for the bombshells to drop.

Do you think you could manage to be little more smug and self-righteous? :rolleyes:

Agree to disagree but.........still waiting.

as I former pharmacist you do not have to "break" anything to me. I understand one can still get covid and it's variants. it's because there is still covid circulating thanks to the unvaccinated. as long as it can find hosts, the virus survives. things started getting better because people were getting vaccinated and the vaccine was extremely good at preventing the alpha version of the virus. Had more of the population got the vaccine then, the delta variant might have been stopped from taking hold. the side effects I mentioned are just "scare tactics" yet the clotting problem that you are so concerned about as reported by Cornell med. site: Despite overwhelming evidence that the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine outweigh the risks, and that the chances of dying from the coronavirus far exceed those of having an adverse reaction to the shot, reports of rare, (fewer than one in a million) post-vaccine blood clots may have you reconsidering vaccination.

it goes on to say that the risk of blood clots from having covid is much higher. many researchers consider covid a vascular disease (not just respiratory) which is why it can affect so many different systems of your body....affecting blood flow to them, which include the brain and *****. so it's hardly a scare tactic. from webmd: For men with a history of COVID-19, the estimated risk of developing ED was 5.66 higher. Those numbers remained even after other factors considered.

It is being reported in the news today that the number of United Airlines employees refusing the vaccine is down to 320 from 600 which was originally reported. That number, however, does not include employees who have filed for a religious or medical exemption.

The total percentage of United Airlines employees that are now vaccinated has reached 99.5%.

True, a senior flight surgeon has issued an affidavit to ground all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest. I am a pilot and reviewed this thoroughly. Link available.

Rick777,

I have some familiarity with the FAA and thought something about this "grounding all pilots who have had the vaccine due to risk of cardiac arrest" did not sound right so I went to the FAA site.

The following is a cut-and-paste directly from the FAA wording of what they are "prohibiting."

According to what I just found on the FAA site, the FAA requires a 48 hour wait for pilots after having been vaccinated. That's it.

No mention of heart attacks.

Just a waiting period to be sure to be cleared of reactions to the shot.

Not a big deal.

Makes perfect sense. Everybody waited for reactions. We all had to hang around for a little while after the shot. But most of us are not commercial pilots so it looks like the FAA took further precautions to clear reactions -- 48 Hours.

You said in your post there is a link available. You did not provide the link so I went directly to the source.

I recognize the probability that pilots could have been provided with a long list of everything that could be possible, no matter how remotely possible, during that waiting period. But according to what I just looked up on the definitive source, the FAA, there has been no specific panic about cardiac arrest. In fact, I saw no evidence of panic whatsoever -- just a common sense reaction wait time.

Your post makes it look like there is something more than just a 48-hour precaution. If that is the case, please provide the link from the FAA -- which you, as a pilot, know has the last word. If the heart attack thing has been taken out of context by some fear-mongering source, then. . .well. . .we all know that drill -- or should.

Anyway. . .

Here is what I found (just now, this very morning) on the official FAA site in the Question and Answer section:

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What pilot duties or activities are specifically prohibited during the post-vaccination 48-hour observation period?


The Federal Air Surgeon determined that FAA medical certificate holders may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member, for 48 hours after each dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. The Federal Air Surgeon made this determination after evaluation of available medical information about these COVID-19 vaccines and potential side effects. As a result of this determination and consistent with 14 CFR § 61.53(a), each person subject to part 67 who receives the vaccine must wait 48 hours after each dose before acting as pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member.
In the event that an FAA medical certificate holder experiences side effects after the 48-hour period has elapsed, the medical certificate holder may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member as described at 14 CFR § 61.53(a) for the duration of the symptoms.


Boomer

This directive is from the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration). This does not mention "cardiac arrest" but "side effects" and the duration for the prohibition of duties or activities is 48 hours if the pilot has no side effects beyond the 48 hours. This criteria effects pilots who act as Pilot in Command AKA the Captain.

https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guid...s/vaccine_faq/

Hope you review flight plans more thoroughly!:icon_wink:

Standard employment at will termination
 

Employment at will employees can get terminated for almost anything. Companies dictate the terms of most everyone's employment, this news flash is not new and many court cases have upheld the companies' right to do so. Most everyone's career has been employment at will, statistically speaking, which excludes corporate executives with contracts and union employees. . . however, corporate execs can get fired for not following corporate rules as well, I know at least one corp president at a public company who was.

So, go ask a labor lawyer, go listen to a labor law professor, etc. So you think that you as an employee should dictate the terms of your employment? These people leaving are doing so, which is fine with them and their employer. What employer wants people you don't want to follow rules? That's chaos and the wild west. .

I am all in favor of firing health care workers who don't want to follow healthcare rules to protect my 95 yo mom in an assisted living community. . . and myself if I have to go into the hospital due to events beyond my control. . . and then I will apply for one of the open positions. .

While I agree with you in theory, it just irks me that these very same people were considered to be "heroes", only 10 months ago...

That’s because it’s all based on the news media telling everyone what to think. If it fits their mantra, they are heroes, if not they are portrayed as villains. Today it’s the health care workers the media has turned on, and they want you to be outraged. After 9/11 the police were heroes - that’s what the media told us. After George Floyd the same media told us that those police officers were villains.
It’s time to stop being lead like sheep to the slaughter by the news media…

Your not allowed by law to sue

Have you notified the CDC about this?


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Among 43,127 reported SARS-CoV-2 infections in Los Angeles County residents aged ≥16 years, 10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021 | MMWR

So 70+% weren't?:shrug:
...and both the charts you posted are months out of date.

If you could read better you would know I was responding to two posters who appear to be in denial about breakthrough cases and deaths.

The CDC slide showing 16% of hospital deaths from breakthrough cases was leaked on July 30, the CDC study of breakthrough cases in Los Angeles was concluded July 25th. So 2.5 months ago, hardly ancient and much more timely than a lot of the "facts" being slung around here.

The CDC slide and LA study were done when Delta surge was just beginning. Now take a look at this chart showing delta cases surging to 300% or more higher in August and September. So yeah the charts and data were a couple months old, but the problem of delta breakthroughs and deaths just got worse.

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