[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Very true.....I was asked if I have allergies to any medication or vaccines before I was given the Moderna vaccine.

And when I got Pfizer, I was specifically asked about anaphylactic shock, rashes, and reactions to immunizations at all.

So, either somebody was not doing their job and asking the questions, or .........

They never asked me that at boot camp, though. I just got in line and got about 10 injections in a row and went to do pushups "to work it out of your system' LOL.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I don't understand the "wow"
Vaccine is basically proven to prevent, getting covid with hospital stay cost insurance thousands. So why should insurance company pay for the whiners that " don't wanna get it".
Unless you have a medical reason for not getting this vaccine that could prevent......well, I say, you are on your own sister.
Ps...same should go for smokers

I hope your weight and cholesterol levels are perfect, or else your "on your own" when you develop heart disease...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Oh, trust me...I see the problem, you are right, weight, drug use etc,etc.

But we can't expect our premiums to stay constant while we continue to stretch their bottom line, especially when it only takes a vaccine to avoid, which btw, they are paying for.

No, the federal government is paying for it...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Um, read my original post again, jmintzer. The GOP supports the ban on vaccine passports, thereby tolerating the government's interference in the freedom of offices, restaurants and businesses to decide whom they want to serve. This is contrary to conservative principles.

Sorry you misunderstood.

Sorry, but you're still contradicting yourself...

By banning the use of the vaccine passport, they are telling "offices, restaurants and businesses" that they cannot use that parameter to decide whom they serve...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

See what I mean? (Yet?!?)

The government, via DeSantis, is trying to control businesses' freedom to choose whom they serve.

The government (without input from DeSantis) has already told business that they do not have that freedom...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Okay, but aren't restaurants, offices and businesses also free to determine who they wish to serve? Otherwise we're interfering with their freedom, which is a conservative no no.

Only in certain, very limited cases...

A certain baker in Colorado comes to mind...

[jaj523]

I recall having to take a yellow shot record with me whenever I travelled, which documented vaccines against certain illnesses, two of which were smallpox and yellow fever. Can't remember the others. Some countries required it, and others didn't. This wasn't that long ago--seventies and eighties. I don't think these yellow "passports" are still required, but don't know for sure. So such things are nothing new.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Very true.....I was asked if I have allergies to any medication or vaccines before I was given the Moderna vaccine.

Originally Posted by jaj523

I recall having to take a yellow shot record with me whenever I travelled, which documented vaccines against certain illnesses, two of which were smallpox and yellow fever. Can't remember the others. Some countries required it, and others didn't. This wasn't that long ago--seventies and eighties. I don't think these yellow "passports" are still required, but don't know for sure. So such things are nothing new.

I have mine right in my passport holder - they're made the exact size as the passport so you keep them together.

And, yes, the yellow passport sized vaccine record is checked - especially when going to the middle east.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Tbrazie

Flu about 60,000 a year since 2010. Not saying that Covid is not a huge pandemic, but keep to the facts as reported by CDC. Also keep in mind that every Covid death is reported. The Flu data is estimated. Still, don't downplay the flu. Just saying.

Not to mention that there is a huge difference in dying "from" covid then dying "with" covid...

That line has been erased...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

But......how many of those people who died with Covid would still be alive today? Think about it. I have.

No way of knowing...

People sent to hospice to die of cancer were listed as "covid deaths"...

People who died in traffic accidents were listed as "covid deaths"...

Just because the tested positive...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jaj523

I recall having to take a yellow shot record with me whenever I travelled, which documented vaccines against certain illnesses, two of which were smallpox and yellow fever. Can't remember the others. Some countries required it, and others didn't. This wasn't that long ago--seventies and eighties. I don't think these yellow "passports" are still required, but don't know for sure. So such things are nothing new.

Foreign countries have their own rules... We cannot control that...

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Yes, it will disappear, just like polio and the bubonic plague (which we've seen come back in recent years)...

Why has polio disappeared? Because for over 50 years the polio vaccine has been MANDATORY everywhere in the world!

The same with Small Pox, etc....

Are you forgetting how many diseases are gone because of VACCINES?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

OK, let's see - EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE? Nope, not even close

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor Dashboard | KFF
Coronavirus vaccine development: from SARS and MERS to COVID-19 - PubMed


'THOUSANDS GET SICK? Nope again!

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC


People dying by the dozens from the vaccine? TRIFECTA! Wrong on all THREE !

No detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

Ok, YOUR turn to source where your 'facts' are coming from....

Don'tcha just love to debunk those asinine conspiracy theories?

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Sorry, but you're still contradicting yourself...

By banning the use of the vaccine passport, they are telling "offices, restaurants and businesses" that they cannot use that parameter to decide whom they serve...

...and thereby being subject to government regulation. The businesses would be under the government's thumb and be forced to do what the government wants them to do...and that is refrain from requiring a vaccine passport. I'm agreeing with what you're saying. I don't see the contradiction, it's what I've been saying all along.

And the bigger issue and the real theme of this thread is that the action of regulating what businesses can and cannot do, which DeSantis is advocating, is contrary to conservative principles. This conundrum is the heart of the thread. I don't know how to make it any clearer.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

The government (without input from DeSantis) has already told business that they do not have that freedom...

Good point and I believe you are correct (except in the case of religious objection). So why is DeSantis piling on then? If businesses already do NOT have the freedom to decide whom they serve, what's the point of banning a requirement to show proof of vaccination?