Prezactly!

The purpose of a vaccine passport would be to have a form you could provide to document that you have been vaccinated. No one would be required to have such a passport just as no one is required to have a US Passport now, unless you wish to partake in an activity where such a document is required, like take a cruise to Europe. If you show up at the cruise terminal without your passport you are refused boarding even if you have a driver's license or a school ID with your photo. A real passport is what they need to see. Don't want to cruise, don't get a passport.

Similarly if a business wants to see proof you are immunized to accept you as a customer it could be in many forms. You might just have to say "I had my shots" That wouldn't be a passport but does require that you voluntarily disclose your own health care information. No HIPAA violation. Or a business might not accept your word and want a note from your doctor which she writes but you provide. Again disclosing protected health information with your ok. No HIPAA violation. Or the business might require a form from the government agency that provided and likely paid for your shots. That is one form a Vaccine passport might take. Again you okayed the information being given to the business and you authorized the government to print your passport, and you likely sent the govt your information so it could print the passport, just like your US passport required you to provide information to the govt to print it.

So my comment is correct. There is no HIPAA violation in a Vaccine Passport. You are disclosing your own vaccine status. No third party is disclosing your status without your consent which exactly what HIPAA prohibits. A business requiring proof of vaccination is not a HIPAA violation. "No passport no service" Your providing your own vaccine status is not a HIPAA violation.

Nope... The lead (trial) balloon being floated is to REQURE the Vaccine Passport for use...

Can you imagine the outcry if you had to prove you HIV status or whether or not you had Hep B? Why is this any different?

Now, if you want to offer that info, more power to you. Others may not feel the same and should not be required to do so...

I was responding to your post #332 that said, and I quote the entire post here, "HIPAA Protection".

That response made me think that you feel a vaccine passport would violate a person's privacy. I simply stated, and I paraphrase myself, that HIPAA laws protect privacy but the individual can decide on their own to produce said medical information such as a vaccination record. HIPPA laws are not pertinent if the individual decides to produce a vaccine record.

There is a tremendous difference between having to disclose medical issues information such as you mentioned. Those are specific diseases (HIV status, Hep B). Disclosing vaccination status is not disclosing any sort of disease or health issue. In fact, disclosing a vaccine status is very positive information as it parallels with Public Health and discloses that the vaccinated person is essentially doing their part for our country to reach herd immunity. That, right there, is reason to be very proud of your vaccine status.

US Based cruise line, Windstar cruises, has announced that it will require all passengers to prove completed vaccination status plus two weeks prior to boarding. Additionally they will at the embarkation port do a Covid antigen test which must be negative to be allowed to board. The announcement does not say what format the vaccination proof must be. But here is a perfect example of a business demanding the information that would appear in a Vaccination Passport. There also is nothing on the website as to what refund if any you would receive if you arrive fully vaccinated but have a positive or equivocal antigen test.

As Windstar does sail from Miami, I don't know what DeSantis's executive order demands. Is he going to tell Windstar it cannot dock in Florida unless it changes its policy? Or is he going to let the public decide what cruise company to use and the business decide what risk of Covid on board it wants to accept?

Royal Caribbean Cruise line from their website today:
Sounds a lot like a vaccination passport or its equivalent, a vaccine record for travel. I'll stop at two examples, but there are more.

And I was responding to post #1... You know, what this entire thread is about?

And if you're going to quote me, please do so accurately... I specifically said "HIPPA Protection" (sic)... ;)

I surely hope DeSantis has no say whatsoever about how the cruise lines conduct their businesses out of ports in Florida. Most people who verbalized they want to cruise have said they WANT to be on board with all vaccinated crew and passengers. I read this over and over on the cruise forums. Very few are willing to board a cruise ship with any un-vaccinated passengers or crew, myself and hubby included.

Bottom line....it is the anti-vaxxers that are fighting the idea of a vaccine passport tooth and nail. They are the ones who are willing to cruise with un-vaccinated people on board.

HIV and Hep B are specific diseases and Covid isn't? News to me!

All 3 are caused by viruses...

And being "proud of your vaccine status" is irrelevant to the conversation...

Methinks the courts will decide...

Their requests are useless, as those little pieces of heavy stock paper are already being counterfeited...

A letter from "Epstein's Mom" would carry more weight...

Post #1 was composed by Walrus. This is the post you responded to.......

Originally Posted by tvbound View Post
Almost everyone has accepted that a private business and/or public venues can institute and enforce a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy. Why should a "no Covid passport, no service" - be any different?
The passage I highlighted is not Post #1. Your response to this post above that I bolded and italicized was and I quote, "HIPAA protections".

I responded to you that HIPAA has nothing to do with an individual who decides to make their medical history known. The HIPAA law does not effect an individual's choice to divulge information to anyone.

Of course, Covid is a disease. But.......I did not say one has to divulge they had Covid. It is the VACCINATION to Covid that I was referring to that would need to be proven. This should have been clear enough.

This is what I said and I'm copying and pasting my words here.......
"Disclosing vaccination status is not disclosing any sort of disease or health issue."

Reading back on these last few posts, it appears that I'm not making myself very clear with my thoughts. I think I will take a break for a while. See ya!

Almost 400 posts in this thread. I don't think anyone is making themselves clear. :1rotfl:

The more regulations imposed the less freedom we have.

"Vaccination Status" is most certainly a health issue...

According to HIPAA regulations which were passed under the Clinton administration (and took full effect by 2001) anything related to your health, conditions, or treatment are considered private. Supreme court ruled in 1905 that mandatory vaccinations were Constitutional in cases of a pandemic. In 1922, vaccine law was further enshrined in a ruling that allowed schools to reject admittance without certain vaccines. There are exceptions to the rule where-by Government institutions may require vaccine. The most important of these was under a religious freedom clause in which forced vaccinations were ruled unconstitutional in 1944.

Either way, your status as a vaccinated person may not be shared freely unless you explicitly authorize. Unfortunately, corporations MAY ask for vaccine status as condition of service. But you can also refuse to answer on condition of religious objection. If they deny you service on condition of your religious stance, you have a lawsuit.

Anti-vaxxers have almost always historically been Democrats. This is overwhelmingly true, and if you search (use Bing, not Google) for articles pre-2019... you'll find an overwhelming concurrence that Progressives / Democrats are vehemently against vaccinations as a whole. It typically is more rooted in doing things organically, etc.

When Trump was still president... even leading up through February of this year... Democrats were even more anti-vaxx because they didn't trust the vaccine since it had been a huge push from President Trump.

After the Harris/Biden administration came in, there WAS a shift in trust... which is largely rooted in much of the seemingly oppressive push that they've tried to roll it out. Despite the narrative that you're perpetuating... there's still an overwhelming mistrust among the progressive and minority population. So much in fact that the current administration has been trying to elicit the support of Hollywood to make infomercials to try to get people to take the vaccine.

But lulu, when did we start demeaning posters with childish nicknames? :ohdear:

Don't use Bing. Who does? Anyhow, a link would help to verify your assertions.

That's normal...gets the point across better:ohdear:

I do not see it that way. At all.

All Trump had to do was publicly get the vaccine with Mrs. Trump receiving the vaccine too. Latest stats that I have seen is 45% of Republicans do not want to be vaccinated. Don't you think it would have been a great public service effort for the Trumps to send a message to his supporters to get the vaccine? I certainly do. He dropped the ball.