Originally Posted by bfarmer3 (Post 1923900)

You are definitely off base here. I am conservative and do not want the government or anyone else to stick their nose into my business. The idea of a vaccine passport is Orwellian. If you have your shot why do you care if I have one or not? It's none of your business.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924011)

See what I mean? (Yet?!?)

The government, via DeSantis, is trying to control businesses' freedom to choose whom they serve.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1923512)

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

Originally Posted by Jhnidy (Post 1923954)

How did you determine the positions of conservatives and liberals?

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1924014)

Great comments - I'm more about the leisure traveler. Business travel is a different animal entirely. A long discourse on that is pointless, I suppose since international business will continue regardless of any restrictions on travel. Any business that can be conducted remotely will probably continue after a year of doing so.

However, the leisure traveler will certainly not be spending the $$ in the destination since they won't be there. But I doubt that the impact to the economy will be greater than if unvaccinated travelers show up and then a population center gets a Covid-19 breakout.

So, my assumption is that, at least for the foreseeable future, restricting travel only to those who can unequivocally prove they are inoculated is the safest way to keep any outbreaks from occurring. Everyone is running scared right now...

Originally Posted by Rooklift (Post 1924019)

How can your vacation be ruined by someone getting sick?

Originally Posted by MrWilson (Post 1923976)

Businesses and govt forcing a citizen to ingest any chemical, drug or chip is wrong.
When do individuals get their “ inalienable right” to be free.
Govt telling us to drug up is bad , businesses are intolerable

Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1923980)

I am very surprised by the Governor extending the passport ban to private businesses. The traditional conservative mantra is to let the market decide. If Publix wants to require a vaccination to shop there, shouldn’t the conservative position be to let them. If people stop shopping there, they will remove the requirement, if people feel safer there, their business will increase. Let the market decide.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1924035)

Okay, but aren't restaurants, offices and businesses also free to determine who they wish to serve? Otherwise we're interfering with their freedom, which is a conservative no no.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1923672)

Idiotic idea-----Very Simple

Why?????
Because even those that are vaccinated may be in the 5% that do not acquire immunity (or 20+% with J&J or Astra-Zeneca), and then there is the question of how long that immunity lasts. So someone gets the vaccine, gets the "passport", and then we still don't know if they are any different than the unvaccinated. And they are certainly less protected than those who had COVID and recovered, but not vaccinated.
How long is the "passport" good for? Renew every what? 3 months,6 months, year? How do you get "100% proof" that a person previously vaccinated is still immune? The "experts" tell us that the antibody test is not valid for that purpose, it is only a marker of previous infection or vaccination. (If it is like most antibody tests, immunity would be dependent upon the titer, usually a 1:32 dilution is adequate, but this is a novel virus and I don't think this has been studied)

So playing out this "passport" scenario, it would be entirely possible, even likely, that someone who has been vaccinated (but did not acquire immunity), has the paperwork to travel, shop, eat out , etc. , while the person next to him in line without the "passport" but is totally immune by virtue of previous infection is denied those privileges. Same with someone whose did acquire immunity, has the "passport", but enough time has passed that their immunity has faded.

Add to the ineffectiveness of such a "passport" plan is the enormous task of actually enforcing it. Most retail stores that currently REQUIRE a mask do not challenge customers who are not wearing one. Imagine the difficulty with something as invasive as a vaccine?

Originally Posted by Rooklift (Post 1924008)

Show your evidence that conservatives are for a vaccine id card. I disagree with your claim.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1924049)

I am disappointed and expect better from you. No vaccine is 100% effective. Nonetheless children cannot go to school without proof of immunization. You know that and I think you support that. No school would claim that having their students immunized totally guarantees that those particular illnesses will never be spread in the school. But requiring proof of immunization is the best a school can do, so that is what the law requires. Might some parent forge a vaccine certificate, sure.

All those countries that require proof of Yellow Fever vaccination. Are you going to tell them what a foolish idea that is as the vaccine likely has a failure rate as well or do you think that is a reasonable precaution against a disease that kills about 50,000 a year? Over time, if we get a requirement for a Covid passport, the issues of how recent a booster is needed for the passport to be valid will be answered. You know that.

Arguing that a vaccine passport is not perfect is not a reason to reject the idea. No public health measure is perfect. No vaccine is perfect. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. You know that too.

Originally Posted by MrWilson (Post 1923976)

Businesses and govt forcing a citizen to ingest any chemical, drug or chip is wrong.
When do individuals get their “ inalienable right” to be free.
Govt telling us to drug up is bad , businesses are intolerable

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1924020)

Funny thing, that "freedom to choose whom they serve" notion. You must mean it's ok for a company to enforce a policy such as "we don't serve Englishmen here" or some such, right? That's the "freedom" you're referring to?